What isnt personal?

Go to http://acmectf.com for more info and file downloads!

[r3c0n]

seriously, everything anyone ever says to me in smack is about Jesus or what i believe in, and you know what. thats when it gets fucking personal worm. and im sorry it has to get personal but im not gonna let that shit slide, no way in hell and thats why i act the way i do... it isnt right to attack anyone about their beliefs wether you believe in Zeus or a donkey. also about me being racist thats bs to. do i hate ghetto shit hell yes i do i think its stupid to act like a fuckin gangster and carry and gun and be in a gang but hey if they wanna do that and go to jail let them... i like black people who have morals and values and dunt talk like dis, who actually have an education... those are normal people... same with white people, always see bums laying in the grass somewhere, its like you know what. go to fucking labor finders and they'll put you to work, instead of trying to get money with "will work for food signs" yea go buy your drugs when you get money from people, not all do but alot of them got that poor because of their nasty habbit in the first place... same with rednecks, im not no fucking redneck you fuckin canuck. im native american and proud of my heritage and nobody could ever take that away. dont you forget it. worm you have to agree with what im saying to some extent here... you know amarris goes over board especially towards me, id love to settle it with him by smashing his face in the ground but w/e just lemme know when in town amariss ill be happy to meet you with my two friends, lefty and righty.

[YellowFire]

nobody wants to read a long never-ending run-on sentence why can't you take a hint - i had actually created a poll on the forum this morning asking do you think recon should go back to kindergarten and learn his abc's - i thought the poll was appropiate but worm thought differently so he removed it - damn you worm. so anyway we dont need to use religion to make fun of you - all we need to do is look at any of your posts and laugh our asses off at how illiterate you really are - do you understand or do i need to dumb it down even futher for you lowly form of life.

Did you find that easy to read, recon??
Welcome to my world.

[WORM]

A little bit goes a long way.

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=645.0

Everyone read that one more time. If you cannot follow that, don't post. Same goes for the server also.

And I am NOT saying it again.

[amarris]

seriously, everything anyone ever says to me in smack is about Jesus or what i believe in, and you know what. thats when it gets fucking personal worm. and im sorry it has to get personal but im not gonna let that shit slide, no way in hell and thats why i act the way i do... it isnt right to attack anyone about their beliefs wether you believe in Zeus or a donkey.

i agree, so stop cramming jesus/god down everyones throat, we dont want to hear it, we dont give a fuck

also about me being racist thats bs to. do i hate ghetto shit hell yes i do i think its stupid to act like a fuckin gangster and carry and gun and be in a gang but hey if they wanna do that and go to jail let them... i like black people who have morals and values and dunt talk like dis, who actually have an education... those are normal people... same with white people, always see bums laying in the grass somewhere, its like you know what. go to fucking labor finders and they'll put you to work, instead of trying to get money with "will work for food signs" yea go buy your drugs when you get money from people, not all do but alot of them got that poor because of their nasty habbit in the first place

Look at what you just wrote, you basically just said all black people are gang bangers and because they use slang that they are uneducated. You also said any bum is a white person who is only in that position because of drugs, stop being so narrow minded and maybe people wont think you're racist or in general, a fucking biggot.

... same with rednecks, im not no fucking redneck you fuckin canuck. im native american and proud of my heritage and nobody could ever take that away. dont you forget it. worm you have to agree with what im saying to some extent here... you know amarris goes over board especially towards me, id love to settle it with him by smashing his face in the ground but w/e just lemme know when in town amariss ill be happy to meet you with my two friends, lefty and righty.

When you make statements like all of the above, im going to call you a redneck because you're too narrowminded about views on life, you're right and everyone else is wrong right? Anyways, you want my address to come teach me a lesson? perhaps maybe one day you will grow up and realize just how stupid you sound most of the time, until they dont talk to me unless you're gonna use your big boy voice mmkay?

[peewee_RotA]

Yeah recon I think I'm on the same page as you religiously... but you're starting to get annoying.


And coming from me it really is an insult.



And amarris. You're not as funny as The Cleaner so stop trying.


Being compared to the cleaner it really is an insult

[WORM]

Being compared to the cleaner it really is an insult

That's the spirit! 

[r3c0n]

A little bit goes a long way.

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=645.0

Everyone read that one more time. If you cannot follow that, don't post. Same goes for the server also.

And I am NOT saying it again.

you're right worm. and amarris, only reason i talked about the lord is because you bring him up. dont bring him up if you dont wanna hear about it ok? and peewee, you're cool bro and none of this is directed at you... but i understand where you're coming from. i wont bring up my bible versus as long as you dont bring that up... as for you amarris i wont talk shit about you if you dont talk shit about me, thats how it goes... you're nice to me, im nice to you... just like peewee or anyone else, you choose to be on my badside then so be it... i dont care

[DK]

A little bit goes a long way.

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=645.0

Everyone read that one more time. If you cannot follow that, don't post. Same goes for the server also.

And I am NOT saying it again.

you're nice to me, im nice to you... just like peewee or anyone else, you choose to be on my badside then so be it... i dont care

And you don't want to be on r3c0n's bad side...Because when you are on r3c0n's bad side..he gets angry..and you wouldn't like r3c0n angry...


....

[amarris]

And amarris. You're not as funny as The Cleaner so stop trying.

im not here to impress you with my comedic relief, it just comes naturally to me, you've been the one posting up a storm with non-sense that has no comedic value :/

[rage!]

this thread is retarded anymore

[WORM]

+applaud rage! 

[alka]

hell i'll +applaud him too..
1400, or so, more of those and his karma will be right as rain.

[lefty]

+applaud rage! 

This is simply amazing!

[amarris]

+applaud rage!

You know better then to fuel the fire worm, tsk tsk. +smite

[playah]

Bla Bla Bla...

Don't waste your time trying to debate with THEM.

http://media.putfile.com/insane_woman_on_fox_news

[r3c0n]

I KNOW you are not saying r3c0n is like that fanatic... so what is your point other than to stir up sheet!

If he wants to think that let him, but i honestly think that lady is nuts. she isnt no christian thats for damn sure... crazy bitch

[<[SLY]>]

Yeah recon I think I'm on the same page as you religiously... but you're starting to get annoying.


And coming from me it really is an insult.



And amarris. You're not as funny as The Cleaner so stop trying.


Being compared to the cleaner it really is an insult

lmao

[lefty]

Bla Bla Bla...

Don't waste your time trying to debate with THEM.

http://media.putfile.com/insane_woman_on_fox_news

That bitch is insane!

[dilldo]

God doesn't give a fuck about any of us.  He/She/It/Whatever doesn't care what happens to you or me or anyone.  If God even exists at all, he sure as hell isn't the all-powerful, all-knowing, benevolent God that most of us (myself included) have been raised to believe.  This has become especially apparent to me in the last few weeks.  Relifion is a cure for the human condition - people with nowhere to turn can ask for help from some unseen entity and find hope where there is none.  The people's opiate.  I'd just as soon ask the beer in my hand for help than ask God, at least the beer actually helps me rest.

I'm not saying this to be inflammatory.  I'm saying this because I'm fed up of having bullshit thrown around that has been used as the pretense for hatred, war, oppression, and suffering for thousands of years.  Wake up - it's crap.

[Zirilan]

... same with white people, always see bums laying in the grass somewhere, its like you know what. go to fucking labor finders and they'll put you to work, instead of trying to get money with "will work for food signs" yea go buy your drugs when you get money from people, not all do but alot of them got that poor because of their nasty habbit in the first place... same with rednecks, im not no fucking redneck you fuckin canuck

Shaddup! Don't talk about Amarris like that, he tried to work for sex but none would pay him, wtf is he supposed to do? It's not his fault he's a socialist from a communist country who still think it would be better if Saddam Hussein was still in power so he could torture and Mass gas more people. 

[The Cleaner]

And amarris. You're not as funny as The Cleaner so stop trying.

im not here to impress you with my comedic relief, it just comes naturally to me, you've been the one posting up a storm with non-sense that has no comedic value :/

I believe in donkeys.  I really do.  I've seen them, they exist.

[amarris]

Shaddup! Don't talk about Amarris like that, he tried to work for sex but none would pay him, wtf is he supposed to do? It's not his fault he's a socialist from a communist country who still think it would be better if Saddam Hussein was still in power so he could torture and Mass gas more people.

Canada is a communist country? holy shit, no wonder people flock here, Queen Elizabeth must be shitting bricks knowing that Canada no longer swears allegiance to her......and my grandfather gassed people during WW1 and WW2, yep, he was a nazi, funny story eh? too bad they wasted so much time on the jews, when they couldve been cleansing europe of people such as yourself and family

[peewee_RotA]

God doesn't give a fuck about any of us.? He/She/It/Whatever doesn't care what happens to you or me or anyone.? If God even exists at all, he sure as hell isn't the all-powerful, all-knowing, benevolent God that most of us (myself included) have been raised to believe.? This has become especially apparent to me in the last few weeks.? Relifion is a cure for the human condition - people with nowhere to turn can ask for help from some unseen entity and find hope where there is none.? The people's opiate.? I'd just as soon ask the beer in my hand for help than ask God, at least the beer actually helps me rest.

I'm not saying this to be inflammatory.? I'm saying this because I'm fed up of having bullshit thrown around that has been used as the pretense for hatred, war, oppression, and suffering for thousands of years.? Wake up - it's crap.

Where do I begin.. how about THANK YOU MR. STALIN


My God you're qouting a communist to try to find the nature of God? Are you insane?


The only thing more insane is that you're obviously not a christian (at least a practicing one) and yet you're telling other christians what their religion is. Yes that lady was crazy, but remember THAT LADY is and not the whole religion. I mean you guys call r3c0n racist but yet you generalize all christians and then tell us what our religion is without any actual knowledge of it.

I mean I've had this conversation a hundred times but it all amounts to this. He who's name I will not say (sex toy boy) hates God and probobly hates christians he just doesn't want to admit it. Before you respond also remember that he started the conversation and that I'm not in any way shape or form preaching the gospel nore have I ever on this board.


EDIT** I also want to point out that his ammount to a personal attack against my religion so don't call this message unwarranted

[rage!]

a communist country who still think it would be better if Saddam Hussein was still in power so he could torture and Mass gas more people.

You're an idiot Zirilian.

[r3c0n]

God doesn't give a fuck about any of us.? He/She/It/Whatever doesn't care what happens to you or me or anyone.? If God even exists at all, he sure as hell isn't the all-powerful, all-knowing, benevolent God that most of us (myself included) have been raised to believe.? This has become especially apparent to me in the last few weeks.? Relifion is a cure for the human condition - people with nowhere to turn can ask for help from some unseen entity and find hope where there is none.? The people's opiate.? I'd just as soon ask the beer in my hand for help than ask God, at least the beer actually helps me rest.

I'm not saying this to be inflammatory.? I'm saying this because I'm fed up of having bullshit thrown around that has been used as the pretense for hatred, war, oppression, and suffering for thousands of years.? Wake up - it's crap.

Where do I begin.. how about THANK YOU MR. STALIN


My God you're qouting a communist to try to find the nature of God? Are you insane?


The only thing more insane is that you're obviously not a christian (at least a practicing one) and yet you're telling other christians what their religion is. Yes that lady was crazy, but remember THAT LADY is and not the whole religion. I mean you guys call r3c0n racist but yet you generalize all christians and then tell us what our religion is without any actual knowledge of it.

I mean I've had this conversation a hundred times but it all amounts to this. He who's name I will not say (sex toy boy) hates God and probobly hates christians he just doesn't want to admit it. Before you respond also remember that he started the conversation and that I'm not in any way shape or form preaching the gospel nore have I ever on this board.


EDIT** I also want to point out that his ammount to a personal attack against my religion so don't call this message unwarranted

Amen peewee, amen!

[amarris]

Where do I begin.. how about THANK YOU MR. STALIN


My God you're qouting a communist to try to find the nature of God? Are you insane?


The only thing more insane is that you're obviously not a christian (at least a practicing one) and yet you're telling other christians what their religion is. Yes that lady was crazy, but remember THAT LADY is and not the whole religion. I mean you guys call r3c0n racist but yet you generalize all christians and then tell us what our religion is without any actual knowledge of it.

I mean I've had this conversation a hundred times but it all amounts to this. He who's name I will not say (sex toy boy) hates God and probobly hates christians he just doesn't want to admit it. Before you respond also remember that he started the conversation and that I'm not in any way shape or form preaching the gospel nore have I ever on this board.

So you assume he is insane, he assumes that, that lady is what all christians are like, you assume he hates all christians and god and that he just hasnt admitted it yet, now you're telling him what he hates or doesnt hate.

How bout you take your foot out of your mouth if you're going to start pointing fingers and calling people out on telling people what is what. You sir have no right to sit there and make a statement like that when you're preaching how wrong it is for people to tell you what your religion is then turn around and tell him what he hates, mmmkay

Thanks,

Amarris


P.S you're getting a +smite for being such a rickbag

[Targe+]

this thread is retarded anymore

Agreed. Recon - stop being a Red Neck. Degen - Go find SK. As anoying as she was at least she shut YOU up.

[peewee_RotA]

Where do I begin.. how about THANK YOU MR. STALIN


My God you're qouting a communist to try to find the nature of God? Are you insane?


The only thing more insane is that you're obviously not a christian (at least a practicing one) and yet you're telling other christians what their religion is. Yes that lady was crazy, but remember THAT LADY is and not the whole religion. I mean you guys call r3c0n racist but yet you generalize all christians and then tell us what our religion is without any actual knowledge of it.

I mean I've had this conversation a hundred times but it all amounts to this. He who's name I will not say (sex toy boy) hates God and probobly hates christians he just doesn't want to admit it. Before you respond also remember that he started the conversation and that I'm not in any way shape or form preaching the gospel nore have I ever on this board.

So you assume he is insane, he assumes that, that lady is what all christians are like, you assume he hates all christians and god and that he just hasnt admitted it yet, now you're telling him what he hates or doesnt hate.

How bout you take your foot out of your mouth if you're going to start pointing fingers and calling people out on telling people what is what. You sir have no right to sit there and make a statement like that when you're preaching how wrong it is for people to tell you what your religion is then turn around and tell him what he hates, mmmkay

Thanks,

Amarris


P.S you're getting a +smite for being such a rickbag

There was a personal attack on all religions but it seems mostly aimed at christians (probobly r3c0n specifically). I defended myself

I'm sorry if this is a little hard for Amarris to understand.



Anyway I didn't accuse him of being insane, I added to a statement by asking a question.

About me assuming that he hates God:

God doesn't give a %^&* about any of us.  He/She/It/Whatever doesn't care what happens to you or me or anyone.
...he sure as hell isn't the all-powerful, all-knowing, benevolent God
...I'd just as soon ask the beer in my hand for help than ask God,
...

I really don't see how I'm assuming but you know think what you want. I mean it's not even a stretch. If this is otherwise let him defend himself instead of giving the benifit of the doubt to the one that thinks that all religion causes hate.


About me assuming that he hates christians:

has been used as the pretense for hatred, war, oppression, and suffering for thousands of years

He's obviously talking about the spanish inquisition, the crusades, the treatment of native americans and yadda yadda yadda. This is common banter thrown around mostly by special interest groups. Like I've said I've heard it all before. Also like I've said, if this is not the case let him say otherwise instead of giving the benifit of the doubt to someone that thinks the all religion causes is hate, war, and oppression.

Another thing to point out is that Christianity and Judaism are the only 2 major world religions that have been around for thousands of years. Islam is closer to 1,500 if that. I'm pretty sure that hindu and budhism are even younger. The polytheism that started hindu and ultimately budhism, and arguably Islam, is not currently a major world religion. You can argue that hindu is still the same as it was thousands of years ago however I challenge you to show a single isntance of the Hindu religion causing hate, war, or oppression. Other religions like the greek religion and the romans are old enough however not a major world religion if practiced at all. Same with Nordic religions and the ancient egyption religions, which had evolved towards monotheism similar to judaism by the end of the reign of the Pharos. And the same with the Anglo and the Saxon religions, not to be confused with the anglo-saxons. Also the Gaelic religions are not included. So please don't try to tell me that he's not refering specifally to a judeo-christian God.


Now the only reason why I have my foot in my mouth is because I'm defending Christianity. No there's not a literal war on Christians however it's become accepted behavior to mock, denounce, or otherwise defame christianity much like "Oh my God" has become a very common part of our dialect. So you may not notice it because it's acceptable to make fun of christians yet abomidable to make fun of Jews, Muslims, or Buhdists. (hindu's left out because of how funny the Vishnu Jokes are in the Simpsons). Let's say for example I point out that when I started reading into an english translation of the Koran I stopped in disgust on the book dedicated to the proper way to beat your wife. Anyone who defends this statement and calls me a biggot will be praised or at least left alone. I defend my religion and I get someone that's not even as funny as the Cleaner (lol learn to take a joke btw) to bash me. Explain to me about foot in my mouth again.

[dilldo]

fuck you, i'm no special interest group, and fuck you for pretending to know what i feel.  i wasn't attacking you or your religion, i wasn't even commenting on that certifiable bitch in that video - i doubt any truly devout religious practitioner would back her.  but i will respond to your attacks on me (feeling a little defensive, perhaps?):

first, for calling me stalin, yea i took some of his words - but don't be such a simpleton.  just because stalin was a horrible person doesn't mean that everyone who agrees with something he said is also horrible.  i bet at some point in his life he also said the sky was blue, would that make everyone in agreement like stalin?

and no, i wasn't singling out christianity, but hey, it's a hell of a start isn't it?  how you can trivialize the heinous acts done in the name of this religion and chalk it up to talking points for pundits and interest groups is so fucking naive.  bury your head in the sand of your church if you want, but what happened happened, and they were done in the name of god.

you want to know why your god doesn't exist, i'll tell you: because if god is all-powerful, all knowing, and benevolent and all that shit that I as a christian (like you) was raised to believe, then we wouldn't have shit in the world that we have.  so god is either:
-all-powerful, all-knowing, and indifferent to what happens
-all knowing, benevolent, but too inept to intervene
-all-powerful, benevolent, and too oblivious to know what's going on
take your pick, but any way you slice it, god (if he/she/it exists at all) is not what we as christians were raised to believe.  i realized that.

religion is the people's opiate.  it brings hope to the hopeless.  it's a nice collection of stories to raise your kids to be respectful, moral, and charitable people, but when push comes to shove where is god?  does he really help cornerbacks make interceptions and nba players make free throws?  does he really advise dubya to start wars and zealots to kill abortion doctors?  let's not be silly.

[r3c0n]

fuck you, i'm no special interest group, and fuck you for pretending to know what i feel.? i wasn't attacking you or your religion, i wasn't even commenting on that certifiable bitch in that video - i doubt any truly devout religious practitioner would back her.? but i will respond to your attacks on me (feeling a little defensive, perhaps?):

first, for calling me stalin, yea i took some of his words - but don't be such a simpleton.? just because stalin was a horrible person doesn't mean that everyone who agrees with something he said is also horrible.? i bet at some point in his life he also said the sky was blue, would that make everyone in agreement like stalin?

and no, i wasn't singling out christianity, but hey, it's a hell of a start isn't it?? how you can trivialize the heinous acts done in the name of this religion and chalk it up to talking points for pundits and interest groups is so fucking naive.? bury your head in the sand of your church if you want, but what happened happened, and they were done in the name of god.

you want to know why your god doesn't exist, i'll tell you: because if god is all-powerful, all knowing, and benevolent and all that shit that I as a christian (like you) was raised to believe, then we wouldn't have shit in the world that we have.? so god is either:
-all-powerful, all-knowing, and indifferent to what happens
-all knowing, benevolent, but too inept to intervene
-all-powerful, benevolent, and too oblivious to know what's going on
take your pick, but any way you slice it, god (if he/she/it exists at all) is not what we as christians were raised to believe.? i realized that.

religion is the people's opiate.? it brings hope to the hopeless.? it's a nice collection of stories to raise your kids to be respectful, moral, and charitable people, but when push comes to shove where is god?? does he really help cornerbacks make interceptions and nba players make free throws?? does he really advise dubya to start wars and zealots to kill abortion doctors?? let's not be silly.

dilldo, if you seen God with your own eyes you still would not believe. and actually ive witnessed some pretty neat stuff, stuff that just doesnt happen, like impossible to humans you know? if you believe that, thats fine. whatever floats your boat. but dont talk crap about christians, and just because some claim to be christians doesnt mean they really are.

if you read the bible it tells what true christians should follow, and it also tells that you will know them by their fruits.

[r3c0n]

Where do I begin.. how about THANK YOU MR. STALIN


My God you're qouting a communist to try to find the nature of God? Are you insane?


The only thing more insane is that you're obviously not a christian (at least a practicing one) and yet you're telling other christians what their religion is. Yes that lady was crazy, but remember THAT LADY is and not the whole religion. I mean you guys call r3c0n racist but yet you generalize all christians and then tell us what our religion is without any actual knowledge of it.

I mean I've had this conversation a hundred times but it all amounts to this. He who's name I will not say (sex toy boy) hates God and probobly hates christians he just doesn't want to admit it. Before you respond also remember that he started the conversation and that I'm not in any way shape or form preaching the gospel nore have I ever on this board.

So you assume he is insane, he assumes that, that lady is what all christians are like, you assume he hates all christians and god and that he just hasnt admitted it yet, now you're telling him what he hates or doesnt hate.

How bout you take your foot out of your mouth if you're going to start pointing fingers and calling people out on telling people what is what. You sir have no right to sit there and make a statement like that when you're preaching how wrong it is for people to tell you what your religion is then turn around and tell him what he hates, mmmkay

Thanks,

Amarris


P.S you're getting a +smite for being such a rickbag

There was a personal attack on all religions but it seems mostly aimed at christians (probobly r3c0n specifically). I defended myself

I'm sorry if this is a little hard for Amarris to understand.



Anyway I didn't accuse him of being insane, I added to a statement by asking a question.

About me assuming that he hates God:

God doesn't give a %^&* about any of us.? He/She/It/Whatever doesn't care what happens to you or me or anyone.
...he sure as hell isn't the all-powerful, all-knowing, benevolent God
...I'd just as soon ask the beer in my hand for help than ask God,
...

I really don't see how I'm assuming but you know think what you want. I mean it's not even a stretch. If this is otherwise let him defend himself instead of giving the benifit of the doubt to the one that thinks that all religion causes hate.


About me assuming that he hates christians:

has been used as the pretense for hatred, war, oppression, and suffering for thousands of years

He's obviously talking about the spanish inquisition, the crusades, the treatment of native americans and yadda yadda yadda. This is common banter thrown around mostly by special interest groups. Like I've said I've heard it all before. Also like I've said, if this is not the case let him say otherwise instead of giving the benifit of the doubt to someone that thinks the all religion causes is hate, war, and oppression.

Another thing to point out is that Christianity and Judaism are the only 2 major world religions that have been around for thousands of years. Islam is closer to 1,500 if that. I'm pretty sure that hindu and budhism are even younger. The polytheism that started hindu and ultimately budhism, and arguably Islam, is not currently a major world religion. You can argue that hindu is still the same as it was thousands of years ago however I challenge you to show a single isntance of the Hindu religion causing hate, war, or oppression. Other religions like the greek religion and the romans are old enough however not a major world religion if practiced at all. Same with Nordic religions and the ancient egyption religions, which had evolved towards monotheism similar to judaism by the end of the reign of the Pharos. And the same with the Anglo and the Saxon religions, not to be confused with the anglo-saxons. Also the Gaelic religions are not included. So please don't try to tell me that he's not refering specifally to a judeo-christian God.


Now the only reason why I have my foot in my mouth is because I'm defending Christianity. No there's not a literal war on Christians however it's become accepted behavior to mock, denounce, or otherwise defame christianity much like "Oh my God" has become a very common part of our dialect. So you may not notice it because it's acceptable to make fun of christians yet abomidable to make fun of Jews, Muslims, or Buhdists. (hindu's left out because of how funny the Vishnu Jokes are in the Simpsons). Let's say for example I point out that when I started reading into an english translation of the Koran I stopped in disgust on the book dedicated to the proper way to beat your wife. Anyone who defends this statement and calls me a biggot will be praised or at least left alone. I defend my religion and I get someone that's not even as funny as the Cleaner (lol learn to take a joke btw) to bash me. Explain to me about foot in my mouth again.

nice peewee, applaud!

[The Cleaner]

Am I the only one who still believes in pygmy Marmosets?

[dilldo]

dilldo, if you seen God with your own eyes you still would not believe. and actually ive witnessed some pretty neat stuff, stuff that just doesnt happen, like impossible to humans you know? if you believe that, thats fine. whatever floats your boat. but dont talk crap about christians, and just because some claim to be christians doesnt mean they really are.

if you read the bible it tells what true christians should follow, and it also tells that you will know them by their fruits.

impossible to humans?? thousands of years ago people thought that thunderstorms were acts of an angry god, and they were so afraid of god's "wrath" that they rushed to sacrifice their children to appease him.? now we are well aware of the set of atmospheric conditions that produce thunder and lightning.? just because something is not easily explained doesn't mean it's an act of god.? in fact, the more we learn about our universe the more irrelevant god becomes.

you didn't respond to my idea from before, that god cannot be simultaneously all-powerful, all-knowing, and benevolent. basically what you've said is that you've seen things you can't explain, so that means god exists.

where is god when an american bomb lands on the house of an innocent iraqi family?? where is god when our soldiers are being tortured and beheaded?? were their families just not praying hard enough?? or was god too busy watching the genocide in darfur to notice that there was another war going on?? oh wait, maybe he was doing impossible little magic tricks for you to see so you would believe in him.

the bible may very well have stories to teach you life lessons so that you lead an honorable life.  but that's all it is - a storybook to guide you to a good life.  a 2000 year old chicken soup for the soul book. 

[DK]

dilldo, if you seen God with your own eyes you still would not believe. and actually ive witnessed some pretty neat stuff, stuff that just doesnt happen, like impossible to humans you know? if you believe that, thats fine. whatever floats your boat. but dont talk crap about christians, and just because some claim to be christians doesnt mean they really are.

if you read the bible it tells what true christians should follow, and it also tells that you will know them by their fruits.

impossible to humans?  thousands of years ago people thought that thunderstorms were acts of an angry god, and they were so afraid of god's "wrath" that they rushed to sacrifice their children to appease him.  now we are well aware of the set of atmospheric conditions that produce thunder and lightning.  just because something is not easily explained doesn't mean it's an act of god.  in fact, the more we learn about our universe the more irrelevant god becomes.

you didn't respond to my idea from before, that god cannot be simultaneously all-powerful, all-knowing, and benevolent. basically what you've said is that you've seen things you can't explain, so that means god exists.

where is god when an american bomb lands on the house of an innocent iraqi family?  where is god when our soldiers are being tortured and beheaded?  were their families just not praying hard enough?  or was god too busy watching the genocide in darfur to notice that there was another war going on?  oh wait, maybe he was doing impossible little magic tricks for you to see so you would believe in him.

the bible may very well have stories to teach you life lessons so that you lead an honorable life.  but that's all it is - a storybook to guide you to a good life.  a 2000 year old chicken soup for the soul book. 

+1 +applaud

[rage!]

Religion is retarded anymore. 

[YellowFire]

I remember on ventrilo a while back, rage asking recon to re-install Quake2 and to start playing again.


WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!??!?!?!

[rage!]

* rage! puts gun to head

BANG

[NiTeMaRe WaLKeR]

dilldo, if you seen God with your own eyes you still would not believe. and actually ive witnessed some pretty neat stuff, stuff that just doesnt happen, like impossible to humans you know? if you believe that, thats fine. whatever floats your boat. but dont talk crap about christians, and just because some claim to be christians doesnt mean they really are.

if you read the bible it tells what true christians should follow, and it also tells that you will know them by their fruits.

impossible to humans?? thousands of years ago people thought that thunderstorms were acts of an angry god, and they were so afraid of god's "wrath" that they rushed to sacrifice their children to appease him.? now we are well aware of the set of atmospheric conditions that produce thunder and lightning.? just because something is not easily explained doesn't mean it's an act of god.? in fact, the more we learn about our universe the more irrelevant god becomes.

you didn't respond to my idea from before, that god cannot be simultaneously all-powerful, all-knowing, and benevolent. basically what you've said is that you've seen things you can't explain, so that means god exists.

where is god when an american bomb lands on the house of an innocent iraqi family?? where is god when our soldiers are being tortured and beheaded?? were their families just not praying hard enough?? or was god too busy watching the genocide in darfur to notice that there was another war going on?? oh wait, maybe he was doing impossible little magic tricks for you to see so you would believe in him.

the bible may very well have stories to teach you life lessons so that you lead an honorable life.? but that's all it is - a storybook to guide you to a good life.? a 2000 year old chicken soup for the soul book.?

wow, 4x the applaud.  I never knew you to scrounge up such a intelligent thought there dillhole, but that was some good shit.   

[rage!]

I never knew you to scrounge up such a intelligent thought there dillhole

Suprised the hell outta me. 

[amarris]

dilldo, if you seen God with your own eyes you still would not believe. and actually ive witnessed some pretty neat stuff, stuff that just doesnt happen, like impossible to humans you know? if you believe that, thats fine. whatever floats your boat. but dont talk crap about christians, and just because some claim to be christians doesnt mean they really are.

if you read the bible it tells what true christians should follow, and it also tells that you will know them by their fruits.

I remember recon going on about ghosts on ventrillo one day, apparently thats what god does, he makes your house haunted if you truly care.... anyways any and all paranormal "phenomenon" are all starting to be deciphered, through different atmostspheric pressure, light particles bouncing/reflecting, certain hormones releasing in your body to produce hallucinigenics, etc. You really must be fucking stupid you if actually think its an act of god.

[amarris]

oh and target, i heard you stop playing q2 to pursue your homosexual tendencies in Quebec, GG. Should have a contest, SK vs. Target for ugliest q2 player of all time.

[NiTeMaRe WaLKeR]

seriously, everything anyone ever says to me in smack is about Jesus or what i believe in, and you know what. thats when it gets fucking personal worm. and im sorry it has to get personal but im not gonna let that shit slide, no way in hell and thats why i act the way i do... it isnt right to attack anyone about their beliefs wether you believe in Zeus or a donkey. also about me being racist thats bs to. do i hate ghetto shit hell yes i do i think its stupid to act like a fuckin gangster and carry and gun and be in a gang but hey if they wanna do that and go to jail let them... i like black people who have morals and values and dunt talk like dis, who actually have an education... those are normal people... same with white people, always see bums laying in the grass somewhere, its like you know what. go to fucking labor finders and they'll put you to work, instead of trying to get money with "will work for food signs" yea go buy your drugs when you get money from people, not all do but alot of them got that poor because of their nasty habbit in the first place... same with rednecks, im not no fucking redneck you fuckin canuck. im native american and proud of my heritage and nobody could ever take that away. dont you forget it. worm you have to agree with what im saying to some extent here... you know amarris goes over board especially towards me, id love to settle it with him by smashing his face in the ground but w/e just lemme know when in town amariss ill be happy to meet you with my two friends, lefty and righty.

I don't think you go overboard with your religion Recon, if that's something you are proud of, you shouldn't be ridiculed for it. ?The problem comes from the same ilk who are determined to undermine the freedoms given to us by the Constitution. ?It's no longer, "We the People", but instead, it's become, "We the People who believe in God and all others don't matter". ?Of course I don't think you see it this way, but that's the grim reality and the grim future of our freedoms. ?It's not even on the national level that I'm concerned about, but on a local level people tend to snub you and label you as a heathen with no morals. ?All the while they are conducting sins and mischief of their own.  They try to make laws to tell others how they should live their lives. ?I think this is why there's such animosity towards Christianity nowadays. ?People don't like being told how to live their personal lives.

[r3c0n]

dilldo, if you seen God with your own eyes you still would not believe. and actually ive witnessed some pretty neat stuff, stuff that just doesnt happen, like impossible to humans you know? if you believe that, thats fine. whatever floats your boat. but dont talk crap about christians, and just because some claim to be christians doesnt mean they really are.

if you read the bible it tells what true christians should follow, and it also tells that you will know them by their fruits.

impossible to humans?? thousands of years ago people thought that thunderstorms were acts of an angry god, and they were so afraid of god's "wrath" that they rushed to sacrifice their children to appease him.? now we are well aware of the set of atmospheric conditions that produce thunder and lightning.? just because something is not easily explained doesn't mean it's an act of god.? in fact, the more we learn about our universe the more irrelevant god becomes.

you didn't respond to my idea from before, that god cannot be simultaneously all-powerful, all-knowing, and benevolent. basically what you've said is that you've seen things you can't explain, so that means god exists.

where is god when an american bomb lands on the house of an innocent iraqi family?? where is god when our soldiers are being tortured and beheaded?? were their families just not praying hard enough?? or was god too busy watching the genocide in darfur to notice that there was another war going on?? oh wait, maybe he was doing impossible little magic tricks for you to see so you would believe in him.

the bible may very well have stories to teach you life lessons so that you lead an honorable life.? but that's all it is - a storybook to guide you to a good life.? a 2000 year old chicken soup for the soul book.?

this reminds me of the movie prince of egypt when moses' brother says the same kind of stuff to him. look, there are many prophecies that have to be fulfilled still, many have already been fulfilled in the bible. tell me this, do you remember the story about sadam and gomera if thats how you spell it i dunno. well the united states is turning into that old city. wether you believe it or not things are getting worse in america with all these wicked people. for instance, las vegas... AKA Sin City, yea its probably a fun place to go for shows and everything but but do most people go there for? to gamble, and to fulfill all their sexual desires and make their dreams come true by having orgys, threesomes or whatever else they can think of for a certain amount of money.


God destroyed that old city because of that. people are turning away from God in this country. hell they just took away the ten commandments at the alabama court place because it offends people. seriously, give me a break. if God is such a flipping fairy tale then WHY would anyone be offended. thats like saying santa clause offends me... oh just shut up. yet you wonder why God is just sitting back and watching this happen. and do you see me shoving God down your throats and telling you how to live. no, you can believe what you want but dont mock and denounce us just because you dont agree with it.... i dont agree with buddha and worshipping cows but hey if they want to then let em. and dont generalize all christians just because some tell you how to live, that isnt right but you have to understand that person might have just became a christian and just wants everyone to be one because hes so happy. when the rapture happens and millions of people disappear, you better start believeing cause some real rough times are ahead and you wont buy or sell unless you have the mark. its already happening, watch CNN. guy had a chip in his wrist, scanned his wrist and bought somthing, money will be obselete. But God is a fairy tale so therefore you have nothing to worry about

[WORM]

I feel I must comment on a couple of things here...

has been used as the pretense for hatred, war, oppression, and suffering for thousands of years

He's obviously talking about the spanish inquisition, the crusades, the treatment of native americans and yadda yadda yadda. This is common banter thrown around mostly by special interest groups. Like I've said I've heard it all before. Also like I've said, if this is not the case let him say otherwise instead of giving the benifit of the doubt to someone that thinks the all religion causes is hate, war, and oppression.

Special interest groups?? Where does that play into this?

When a religion/sect/cult/belief system, no matter if it's Christian or whatever, instills the belief in it's adherents that they are the only true way to redemption and all others are lesser beings and doomed to eternal damnation then it is easy to use that for ends that are less than noble. HIstory has proven this to be true throughout the ages and it continues to this day.

As a prelude to war, the major aim of any propaganda campaign is to demean and dehumanize your opponent so it is much less of a moral conundrum when you attack him. This is also being used to great effect in politics and never more so than by the far-right of religious conservatives.

Another thing to point out is that Christianity and Judaism are the only 2 major world religions that have been around for thousands of years. Islam is closer to 1,500 if that. I'm pretty sure that hindu and budhism are even younger. The polytheism that started hindu and ultimately budhism, and arguably Islam, is not currently a major world religion.

One has to wonder how you arrived at such inaccuracies. Discounting, (and I do hate to use that word in reference to any sincerely held belief), the more esoteric and lesser known religions and belief groups, Judaism is acknowledged to be the oldest of major religions with it's origins going back to the time of Abraham, around 2085 B.C.

I must throw in one of the esoterics here; Zorastrianism, (Zorastra is Greek trranslation of Persian Zarathustra) dates to around 600 B.C. It took in adherents from the Persian worship of Mithras which dates back to around 6000 B.C.

Back to major league again..Hinduism is considered a religion while it is as much a way of life as anything else, as are most all Eastern "religions." Widely considered date of origin is ~1500 B.C.

The teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, who became known as Gautama Buddha meaning "Enlightened One", approximately 560 B.C. are the foundations of Buddhism.

Confuciansim, one of the ancient religions of China falls somewhere in between Hinduism and Buddhism.

Taoism, from the teachings of Lao Tzu, is from around 550 B.C.

I could go on with Jainism, Sikhism and many other ancients that are still practiced but my point is this...and nothing personal here, I see the same thing with every "true believer" regardless of church affiliation....broaden your horizons a bit and gain some knowledge before making the same misstatements and perpetrations of untruths that so cloud any semblance of veracity that your "message" might otherwise have.

[<[SLY]>]

where is god when an american bomb lands on the house of an innocent iraqi family?  where is god when our soldiers are being tortured and beheaded?  were their families just not praying hard enough?  or was god too busy watching the genocide in darfur to notice that there was another war going on?  oh wait, maybe he was doing impossible little magic tricks for you to see so you would believe in him.

Mortal life is only the beginning, a preparation so to speak. You think a measly 100 yrs is significant to the millions of years the Earth has been around?
Ultimately, according to our religion and theirs, Eternal life is more important. So if that family was truly innocent, God will take care of them eternally.

[rage!]

this reminds me of the movie prince of egypt when moses' brother says the same kind of stuff to him. look, there are many prophecies that have to be fulfilled still, many have already been fulfilled in the bible. tell me this, do you remember the story about sadam and gomera if thats how you spell it i dunno. well the united states is turning into that old city. wether you believe it or not things are getting worse in america with all these wicked people. for instance, las vegas... AKA Sin City, yea its probably a fun place to go for shows and everything but but do most people go there for? to gamble, and to fulfill all their sexual desires and make their dreams come true by having orgys, threesomes or whatever else they can think of for a certain amount of money.


God destroyed that old city because of that. people are turning away from God in this country. hell they just took away the ten commandments at the alabama court place because it offends people. seriously, give me a break. if God is such a flipping fairy tale then WHY would anyone be offended. thats like saying santa clause offends me... oh just shut up. yet you wonder why God is just sitting back and watching this happen. and do you see me shoving God down your throats and telling you how to live. no, you can believe what you want but dont mock and denounce us just because you dont agree with it.... i dont agree with buddha and worshipping cows but hey if they want to then let em. and dont generalize all christians just because some tell you how to live, that isnt right but you have to understand that person might have just became a christian and just wants everyone to be one because hes so happy. when the rapture happens and millions of people disappear, you better start believeing cause some real rough times are ahead and you wont buy or sell unless you have the mark. its already happening, watch CNN. guy had a chip in his wrist, scanned his wrist and bought somthing, money will be obselete. But God is a fairy tale so therefore you have nothing to worry about

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1789.0

[alka]

Watched Nacho Libre last night and this thread reminded me of a particular scene.



This picture does not reflect the beliefs of the poster nor his/her family.
The poster will not be held responsible for material viewed herein, as there is
always a chance for misconception'in'the'smack'section.

[rage!]

Good movie eh alka?  Saw that with the misses on Sunday, laughed my ass off at his song for the nun

[alka]

lol yeah it was cool.. wife hated it, but my son loved it.
and I didn't realize it was from the same people that did Napoleon Dynamite until after the movie,,
good stuff. 

[YellowFire]

I think r3c0n should be banned from this forum until he can talk and type like a normal person.
I'm getting tired of browsing through long, never-ending paragraphs of garbage about life/death/religion/whatever.

I'm sure alot of people agree with me on this... after all, I'm never wrong.

[rage!]

rofl what the hell is up with the new "I'm never wrong" slogan?

[lefty]

He needed something new to make himself seem cool. 

His old signature of The Man, The Myth, The Legend, Yellowfire got old.

[peewee_RotA]

This really is getting retarded anymore, especially with w0rm. I've stated this probobly a thousand times in my life. Why are you guys telling me what my religion is when you're not even a member of it?

Now to sex toy, if you were to ask "why does God let bad things happen to good people?" then I'd give you a response based on my beliefs. You said that he does let them happen and therefore he is not all powerful. This is an attack and very much so not a question. I'd love to answer the question but you have to ask it and ask it without a hardened heart. Not the case so none the answer.

Back to worm: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son..." well known verse but not at all with meaning without the seconf half "...not to condemn the world but to save it"

I'm sorry if someone else is judging you however it is Christianity that harbors the qoute "Judge not or else be judged" and if you want a better understanding start into Romans. Some people judge and they are probably christians mostly because U.S.A.'s population was about 80% at the last census. So yes many murderers, rapists and thieves are also members of a christian church. It's biggorty when you apply the actions of one person on all people matching his religion. I never judged you however if you feel that you need saved then I'll help you to better understand the gospels as best I can.

Now for those that applaud sex toy boy for swearing so much about God. Notice the flak I get for mentioning special interest groups. I get rediculed for a statement that I was never asked to explain and rediculed entirely on assumptions. Sex toy boy has made it abundantly clear that at least a portion of his motives for the accusations of there being no God are political. He brought the Iraq war into this where the originally was no room. Need I now still have to explain my special interest groups qoute yet? Anti-Judeo-Christian retoric has become a common political tactic. Sex toy boy has proved this to at least a certain extent.

[S!]

Hmmmmm there were some very valid points put out as a response to your comments and yet you seem to have completely side stepped them.

[WORM]

Whoa, whoa, whoa there, peewee! Let me make something perfectly clear here; I am NOT attacking your religion at all. Far from it, this is a free country, maybe not for much longer but it has been, and freedom of religion is one of the cherished rights we all enjoy. Conversely, freedom from religion is also a right that deserves equal respect.

Beyond that, I simply pointed out a couple of obvious fallacies in your post and if you feel so defensive that you must turn around and attack me for that it only serves to prove sub-sets that were never expanded of my first point.

And, yes, when you blame "special interest groups" for your percieved persecution but yet again leave these shadowy conspriators un-named it becomes even harder to take your statements seriously. Or maybe you prefer to dance. 

[amarris]

God doesn't give a %^&* about any of us.  He/She/It/Whatever doesn't care what happens to you or me or anyone.
...he sure as hell isn't the all-powerful, all-knowing, benevolent God
...I'd just as soon ask the beer in my hand for help than ask God,
...

I really don't see how I'm assuming but you know think what you want. I mean it's not even a stretch. If this is otherwise let him defend himself instead of giving the benifit of the doubt to the one that thinks that all religion causes hate.

just because he doesnt believe in God's power to take care of everyone means he hates christianity ? how so? i dont like your beliefs does that mean i hate you? no, its not hate. Its a tolerable dislike.

About me assuming that he hates christians:

has been used as the pretense for hatred, war, oppression, and suffering for thousands of years

and i agree 100% with him, tell me one war that has not started over unethical treatment of persons, property or infriging on someones rights. America and Canada we're both founded and based on Christian beliefs when we first migrated here. We see something happen in another country that we dislike, we intervene, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq to name a few countries/wars.

There are two things that drive the world to anger and hatred, and its religion and money, both which run a country, and if you're going to tell me otherwise you're one very ignorant person.

For you to look down upon someone who does not partake in your beliefs is sheer ignorance, and no one will tolerate your "holier then thou art" attitude. Perhaps instead of cramming your fucking religion down everyones throat you can accept that maybe, just maybe there is other gods out there that helped in the creation of our existence, or the universe's existence.

You preach that "Judge not or else be judged". What the fuck do you think you are doing when you belittle someone for their opionion of another religion, some people don't follow your religion and therefore that quote has no fucking bearing because they dont practice it. Stop calling the kettle black , mr. pot.

You have not had one coherant argument throughout this whole discussion, i suggest you just shut the fuck up already because its clear that no one gives a damn about you or your religion, you do what you want, we do what we want. Here's a shocker for ya too, im athiest, surprising isnt it? But i guess without some lame bullshit stories/morales clouding my mind i am able to acknowledge and accept  differences of different religions, including more then one god and alternative lifestyles and morales.

[rage!]

BOOM!  HEAD SHOT!

[truth]

PeeWee: I understand a lot of the thoughts you're trying to convey, and if right, you're relying heavily on the powers of human induction rather than clearly stating the organized thought. Read WORM's post again and you'll find he's only making corrections to your broad and sweeping generalizations about other religions.

dilldo: WOW! Although you aren't very diplomatic with your delivery or for that matter even eloquent, you do in fact raise great questions whose answers have been the lifes work of many of the worlds brightest men. Harsh and direct, your opinions are easily empathized.

I was going to post fragments of my varied thoughts on organized religion in small groups. But instead I'm going to make one large post of fragments and let people hunt and peck at what might interest them to comment on in one fell swoop. The following isn't directed at any single person. To take anything said about any religion personally, in my opinion, only illustrates your own lack of reasoning and inadequate faculties. Within the critism of religion and socio-political beliefs lies a structred pursuit of truth, human behavior and intellectual curiosity. So I'll just get on with the post and see where the dust settles.

I'm Agnostic by nature but Athiest in practicality.

[peewee_RotA]

Hmmmmm there were some very valid points put out as a response to your comments and yet you seem to have completely side stepped them.

Or it could be that I've been absent from the discussion for about 2 days and am just now reading all of the lengthy posts in my free time at work. However this time I'm at a store with significantly lower bandwidth.

Anyway you decide

[amarris]

    Re: What isnt personal?
? Reply #53 on: Today at 12:44:04 PM ?

somehow i dont think days are on a 1 1/2 hour clock...

[peewee_RotA]

And, yes, when you blame "special interest groups" for your percieved persecution but yet again leave these shadowy conspriators un-named it becomes even harder to take your statements seriously. Or maybe you prefer to dance.?

There's a qoute from billy madison that comes to mind.

Seriously I have no idea what you just said. Shadowy conspirators? Who said anything about a conspiracy. (apart from dill claiming that God speaks to President Bush and some other nonsensical ramblings)

[truth]

On Revelation-
  Omnipotent God conveys his presence and will unto man. Free will prevents God from forcibly delivering his message. Man may allow himself to become a divine instrument thusly the revelation is delivered. Man is fallable but an omnipotent God would not allow an ambiguous message to be delivered and this the Bible must be unambiguous and totally inerrant.

The allowance of any ambiguity or errancy thusly concludes invalidity of the entire book. Unlike the composition of any non-fiction book, the Bible is guided by an all knowing infallable Being. Having established the importance of any and all words of the Bible's accuracy, why then must new translations and adaptations be allowed to have flawed logic or ambiguity. They should not! If the Bible be the true word of God, and should be held as true, why then are other religions or variations Christianity existant? Should not all men feel the warmth of God's bosom as clearly as even the most devout? Following the logic of reason we can only be taken to the brink of knowledges fullest capacity to even the most learned and sensible men, yet still be left ignorant and lacking true certainty. Why not simply send down inerrant and absolute knowledge of God through a prefabricated book? The Almighty, surely capable could do this without constraint, confusion or misrepresentation. Leaving His creations not in doubt but with still the Free Will to accept Him as a worthy father.

Leaving the Bible open to interpretation is, within our limited logic and understanding, inconsistent with the intent of revelation and of enlightenment. is the scope of religious, chiefly Christian, intent and dogma not so varied as to leave even the most devout without gaps in reason?

Immortally-
  Immortality and the promise of continued existence preys on the hopes and wishes of man to not have lived without purpose, meaning or direction. To argue that immortality must exist to justify our fate is folly. Justice in this sense of meaning must indicate that life has a purpose. I've yet to hear an adequate explanation to the meaning of life. No matter how many people wish immortality to be true; hundreds or even millions does not make it fact.

Properties of A Deity-
  Would man being in the image of God not be true if we weren't also to attribute to his conditions: cowardice, ignorance and dodgy integrity?

Intelligence is as we know it only a label to best describe reactions to sensation. Ideas, thought, and responses are all consequence of our senses. To label God as intelligent is to imply that he may have emotions, feelings, likes, dislikes, etcetera.. Which also implies that he has the ability to see, hear and smell. If such is the case than he has the constraints logically, that of man. Primarily is supposes that he has a definite embodiment. Thus truly not omnipotent and lacking omnipresence.

Prayer-
  Why is it not considered arrogant or presumptuous that prayer may be answered if truly devout? To assume you prevailed through the assistance of God is to say that as an individual God has chosen your conquest to be more important than the defeated's. It's to assume that God favors you but not your opponent, no matter how devout he also may be. Which is to not include numerous people affected by such a decision. In the waging of war many people die and to say their death is the result of mans favor with God seems not at all benevolent to me! Oh but what if it is not the man who is favored but the people, cause or faith? Then why must so many die, instead of leaving the existence of God in doubt?

-On Evolution
  Evolution is an undeniable fact. To the degree of scope which is within that of evolution is the argument. what do the Christians make of the found fossils our lesser developed ancestors? If Eve were to don a cocktail dress, would she blend into the party? With the discovery of the so called "missing link" (see the recent hybrid fish/lizard fossil) a large portion of importance is being overlooked. I believe that there most likely won't be any single discovery that enlightens the subject of evolution; rather a succession of finds much like that of the pre-historic "lizardfish". The greatness of this discovery is that theories were reviewed and put into motion of testing by organizing thought on what they expected to find and where they would most likely expected to find it. With the discovery they show that the general theories and basis of evolution are firmly footed and moving forward.

[WORM]

I cant help about the shape I'm in
I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin
But dont ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to

Oh well

Now, when I talked to God I knew he'd understand
He said, stick by my side and Ill be your guiding hand
But dont ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to

Oh well

[truth]

I forgot you were old enough to have born Stevie Nicks.

[WORM]

Me and Stevie go way back.?

peewee: Let me try this one more time, follow along here, okay?

You said "This is common banter thrown around mostly by special interest groups."

I asked for definition of who these special interest groups were, "Special interest groups?? Where does that play into this?"

You said "Notice the flak I get for mentioning special interest groups." Yet still no answer as to who these groups might be.

Sooooo, We still await the word on who these shadowy conspirators are that you speak of. "Shadowy" in that they are still unkown to us and "conspirators" in the fact that you defined them as goups and they seem to have a common purpose of persecuting you, or so you percieve, therefore they would fit the definition of being conspirational as it takes more than one to be a group and the group seems to have a common purpose, so sayeth you and on and on and on.

Oh..and I kinda hate to break the news to you but dilldo was much more coherent of thought and expression than you have been, regardless of message. Just looking at the facts, not voting up or down on either stand there.?

[alka]

Stevie Nicks is great..

[amarris]

Stevie Nicks is great..

Fleetwood Mac pwnsauces too

[peewee_RotA]

    Re: What isnt personal?
? Reply #53 on: Today at 12:44:04 PM ?

somehow i dont think days are on a 1 1/2 hour clock...

Thanks for being nit picky. I shouldn't have said absent but I mean to say that I haven't been able to read all responses and am commenting on responses from days ago and not the most current. I'm not going to get the chance to read it all because everyone's being as long winded as me. So if you want me to answer a question or address something please bring it up again.


Now I want to get back to basics. Dill qouted Joseph Stalin, here's a little fact about the soviet union during the time of Stalin:
"Many religions popular in the ethnic regions of the Soviet Union including the Roman Catholic Church, Uniats, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. underwent the same or worse ordeals as the Orthodox churches in other parts: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin

I'm so glad that christians have caused so much persecution and pain and suffering. I mean we should all be so tolerant and open minded as Joseph stalin. Anyway it's funny how the whole of christianity is accused of exactly what the Soviets did. So yes I understand that just because someone did bad things it's not a reason to stop qouting him, however Mao Zedong is probobly a better person to rely on for learning about religion than Joseph Stalin. I'm sorry if I'm the only one that thinks it's a little odd to get your opinions on religion from someone who persecuted ALL religions.

In fact I know someone personally who ministers in Russia. No the U.S.S.R. does not currently exist, however the people formerly under their control can't get enough of religion. There's this intelectual persona added to all agnostics however people who were all but forced to be athiests are finally able to freely learn religion and it gives them hope and happiness. Something to believe in. All these properties of religion were unable to be experienced under the rule of the person you're qouting. So yes it's quite unrational to qoute Stalin and then talk about the hope given by religion. (and then everyone considering you SO tolerant and SO smart)


Now because of all the great points that Dill brought up about religion, let me reitterate how tolerant and wonderful the lack of religion has been:
"Number of victims
Early researchers of the number killed by Stalin's regime were forced to rely largely upon anecdotal evidence, and their estimates range as high as 60 million.[8][8]

With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, hard evidence from the Soviet archives finally became available, and many of the earlier, higher estimates became more difficult to sustain. For example, the archives record that about 800,000 prisoners were executed (for either political or criminal offences) under Stalin's regime, while another 1.7 million died of privation in the Gulags and some 352,000 perished during kulak resettlement.

Debate continues however[9], since some historians believe the official figures are unreliable.[9] Also, it is generally agreed that the data are incomplete, since some categories of victims were carelessly recorded by the Soviets, such as the victims of ethnic deportations, or of German population transfer in the aftermath of WWII. For the 1932-33 famine though, archival evidence and demographic data do appear to be supporting a growing consensus on a figure of somewhere between 6 to 8 million.[10][10][11]

While some archival researchers have posited the total number of victims of Stalin's regime, including the 1932-33 famine, to be no more than about 10 million [11][12][13], a number of books have recently been published which suggest a total of between 15 to 20 million. Russian writer Vadim Erlikman[12], for example, has estimated deaths attributable to the Soviet regime under Stalin, not including the famine, to be as follows: Executions 1.5 million, Gulag 5 million, Deportations 1.7 million (out of 7.5 million deported), and POW's and German civilians 1 million. Together with the famine, this would yield a total figure of about 15 to 17 million victims. Pioneering researcher Robert Conquest.[13] meanwhile, has revised his original figure of up to 30 million down to an estimated 20 million. Other researchers, however, maintain that their earlier much higher estimates are correct.[14]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin


Another example of how terribly evil that the christians have been throughout history:
"The Communist rise to power in China brought its religious intolerance and persecution once more forcing the Church underground for decades. As was the case in Communist Russia, thousands of church buildings were destroyed or turned into civil facilities such as schools, warehoused and factories. And as in Russia, Communist China hostility targeted traditional religions particularly Christianity. ...

...The demise of the "Cultural Revolution" in China began with Mao's death in 1976, and as in the former Soviet Union religions restrictions have eased and in some cases disappeared. There is reportedly a thriving Christian Church in China today."
http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/Christians-in-China.html

So yes please keep qouting communists when it comes to religion. It makes you sound SO tolerant.



Anyway back to task. The next argument is going to be that the state killed the people and not the states religion. Also the next argument is that not all the victems were christians. But that's exactly what I'm saying. Yes there are many christians that commited atrocities. That doesn't mean that all christians have commited these crimes or that those people commited them in the name of God. In real life when you make an accusation you cite a specific example. So please find an instance of what you talk about christian or not. I mean you might as well say that the Communist revolution in China was in the name of Buhda! This is nonsense and so is a blanket accusation that god is evil just because someone who was evil had claimed to be christian.

Also worm now that I really saw you ask the question. An example of a special interest group that makes the same anti-christian statements that Dill are several gay rights activists I've talked to on the internet. I wouldn't normally generalize except that I get the same exact retoric that Dill spewed OVER AND OVER. It's like they teach it in kindergarten. Most of it is word for word. Another group which Dill thankfully brought up are people against the war in Iraq. Not all of them are this way but the ones that love to claim that this is a crusade or that it's all about christians hating muslims love to talk this way. Another group are a fring element of animal rights activists. When I make an argument that a human is more important than a mouse because we're made in God's image I get the same retoric almost word for word. No I didn't need to say that. Worm you knew exactly what I was implying. You just want me to say it out loud so that someone can spin my words. That may not be your intentions but it's a definite result. That's ok, I'm not going to run from my experiences. I hope that you consider Dill bringing up the Iraq war and the president speaking to God as evidence of how anti-christian retoric is common place today as political talk.

[WORM]

I will not even get into the specious reasoning displayed in the first 12 paragraphs of that post other than to say that you really must have a persecution complex with such convolutions. Dilldo only professed how he felt about religion as a whole and you deflected that into Communist persecution of Christians. Way to deflect, but I digress, let me confine this to our discussion of the so-called special interest groups.

An example of a special interest group that makes the same anti-christian statements that Dill are several gay rights activists I've talked to on the internet.

I do believe dill was making anti-religion statements, not narrowly focused to Christians alone but anyway, how do "several" you have talked to on the internet now constitutes a "special interest group?"

Not to say that they don't have a special interest in not being bombarded with anti-gay rhetoric from others. Yes, I can see that. I can also see where they get angry with being persecuted for their sexual orientation.

They didn't try to recruit you, did they? Beat you over the head with a Cher album or something? The very idea!

Another group which Dill thankfully brought up are people against the war in Iraq.

Oh, and people for the war in Iraq are not "special interest" groups?

From the latest polls more than half this country is against the war in Iraq now and 57% disapprove of the way Bush is handling it. I dare say that includes a large number of Christians. In fact, many, many Christian organizations are in the fore-front of protesting the war.

Guess those are "special interest" Christians, you know, the ones that practice what they preach and think for themselves.

Another group are a fring element of animal rights activists. When I make an argument that a human is more important than a mouse because we're made in God's image I get the same retoric almost word for word

I don't know what "fring" element of animal rights activists you speak of here but I will give you that there are some that use questionable methods to get there point across, very similar to the group represented by the lady in that video posted earlier. Again, did this "group" you debated have a name? Or was it a couple of chicks saving kittens or collecting dog food for the local humane shelter?


To say we are made in God's image could be considered rather presumptuous to many, besides, mice can be cute..take Mickey for example; a mouse you wouldn't mind sharing a slice of cheese with, especially if Minnie were with him.

I hope that you consider Dill bringing up the Iraq war and the president speaking to God as evidence of how anti-christian retoric is common place today as political talk.

No, I won't consider anti-Christian being common today. As much as many fundamentalist Christians would like to use that as an excuse, it just isn't so. The term "Christian" applies to more than the right-wing, fundamentalist Evangelicals that the neo-conservative movement has pandered to for so long. So, no, it is not common.
I'm not even getting into Bush and his speaking to God, that's another subject. Suffice it to say, he wouldn't listen to anyone else and I do doubt he had an open line to God.

Please understand that this is not an attack on you or your beliefs. As I said earlier, we all have the freedom of, and from, religion in this country. Believe what you will but allow others their choice also.

And if you are going to debate a subject, please come armed with at least a few facts.

Much love and kisses,

WORM.

[peewee_RotA]

I will not even get into the specious reasoning displayed in the first 12 paragraphs of that post other than to say that you really must have a persecution complex with such convolutions. Dilldo only professed how he felt about religion as a whole and you deflected that into Communist persecution of Christians. Way to deflect, but I digress, let me confine this to our discussion of the so-called special interest groups.

I've not read through any farther than this because I think it's funny. First of all you've used deflect in a vary weird way... but then you deflected in the same manner that you said I did...which is funny.

So not to mean any disrespect but I'm ignoring the rest of your comment and pretty much anyone after that. Dill made a comment about god not existing and then qouted a communist. Then he talked about how religion causes hatred and oppression. I pointed out that the qoute he used was from someone that hated and oppressed all religions.

I'm confused why you're having such a hard time grasping this concept.


Anyway back to deflecting. The original Stalin comment was directed at Dill. The beginning of the post was directed at Dill. The original topic of discussion was him having unusual means to define someone elses God. I've stuck to it and you're wandering around the flag section of Mintro that nobody goes to nor can anyone from the other team get to.

[alka]

Does the server have enough storage space/bandwidth for this thread??

The only way I will read some of these posts is if they have pictures,,
I mean.. or else it's like reading a novel tbh 

[DK]

Does the server have enough storage space/bandwidth for this thread??

The only way I will read some of these posts is if they have pictures,,
I mean.. or else it's like reading a novel tbh 

 I agree...can we go back to pictures and show 3 sentence replies?

[lefty]

I really haven't sat down and decided if it's worth the time to read this thread. 

[amarris]

Then he talked about how religion causes hatred and oppression

where is the proof that is doesn't happen? Every thing happening in the world is tied to some sort of politics based from religious views.

Like said before, religion and greed are the 2 contributing factors of hatred and anger amongst all colonies on the planet earth. From democracy, monarchy, dictatorship to communism, all are based of different religious beliefs and many accept how their life is in their home country, why do you think you see people comining to North America where they still want to practice their beliefs?

Christianity is not the only way of practicing religion, nor is it the right way, everyone is entitled to belief in whatever they so shall choose.

Christianity is the biggest organized religion when put back together from all the adopted denominations of the church, so yes they are going to be generalized as its too hard to distinguish between the 1000's of denominations in the world today.

As i said before, the problem people have with christianity are the ones who condemn people for their beliefes in science or other religions. As to quote recon "my god is more powerful then any of the other gods of any other religion" or something similiar,  now this is where i have a problem with it. It is ok to believe your god is your creater but when you come off as saying
that your god is better then the rest , then you are being ignorant to the world around you.

To many people, even practicing christians, roman catholics, etc believe that the Bible is nothing more then a fairy tale with morales to stories. It is a guide to live life by if you so choose to do it. To sit there and judge someone for not believing in what you believe is a contradiction of the bible itself.

Furthermore, there is no concrete way of interpreting the Bible, or you would not have the 1000's of denominations of christianity that you see today. It is like any book of poetry or well versed song, only the creater knows exactly what was meant by the content of it, the rest is perceived and inspires you to interpret for yourself that the meaning of the message is.

A priest, pastor, cardinal, anything are like lawyers, they interpret the book and teachings and pass them along, whether you choose to accept that meaning or to find a different meaning in what was said is up to you. There is no 100% right or wrong in the area of beliefs, everyone is entitled to do as they so choose.

I am an athiest, i do not believe in god, or satan or believe in the teachings of the bible. One of the reasons, if we were all created in gods image, why do homosexuals exist if he is not homosexual himself? yet in the bible it says if a man should lay with another man, that man is sure to die. (i do believe recon quoted that from the book as well)

There is way too many contradictions for my liking and that is why i CHOOSE not to believe in any sort of religion because all books will contradict themselves as they are all poorly written.

[r3c0n]

lol... wtf happened to my thread? its a big argue fest over religion, um everyone... believe what you want to believe. there's no sense in arguing over all this stuff. nobody is going to change ANYONE's mind... so stop trying and start giving hugs. i dont want nobody getting ulcers because of my thread not even amarris. i respect all of your beliefs or religions thats fine, you all have minds of your own.

rusty, they all need hugs... you know what to do. as for you yf, i have to ask. wtf is up with that gay ass signature "I'm never wrong" shows how arrogant you really are, keep up the good work buddy! afterall, this is the smack forum

[S!]

I've not read through any farther than this because I think it's funny.

This appears to be your only defence against making spurious fictional based accusations and then dancing neatly by the responses to them.....why even bother to post at all if you're not going to engage in the debate you appear to want, or is it only a one sided diatribe you want?

[YellowFire]

wtf is up with that gay ass signature "I'm never wrong" shows how arrogant you really are, keep up the good work buddy! afterall, this is the smack forum

You think this is a joke??
Would I be wrong if I said most people on this forum think you're an idiot?? No?? Didn't think so.

So, I prove once again, I'm never wrong.

[rage!]

what about h0ps' cheating?

[YellowFire]

what about it?

[WORM]

I've not read through any farther than this because I think it's funny.

This appears to be your only defence against making spurious fictional based accusations and then dancing neatly by the responses to them.....why even bother to post at all if you're not going to engage in the debate you appear to want, or is it only a once sided diatribe you want?

 

[WORM]

i respect all of your beliefs or religions thats fine, you all have minds of your own.

Thank you for a note of sanity, I also respect your right to believe, or not, as you will. 

[alka]

I would hate to get into a debate with S!,,
I would probaly just curl up in the fetal position and wait for it to be over.

[WORM]

I really haven't sat down and decided if it's worth the time to read this thread.?

It isn't. 

[WORM]

The only way I will read some of these posts is if they have pictures,,
I mean.. or else it's like reading a novel tbh?

He died for your sins....

[rage!]

And god said, let there be light...  let there be quake II... and let there be a forum where people can argue over what religion makes me happy, if any.

[lefty]

I really haven't sat down and decided if it's worth the time to read this thread. 

It isn't. 

Thanks for saving me a lot of time! 

[alka]

He died for your sins....

Are you saying Elvis is dead?
Cause I just saw him the other day at Taco Bell getting a half eaten chalupa out of the trashcan.

[r3c0n]

He died for your sins....

Are you saying Elvis is dead?
Cause I just saw him the other day at Taco Bell getting a half eaten chalupa out of the trashcan.

laughing my fucking ass off... omg hahahahahah you're awesome alka. 

[WORM]

Lefty, here is a brief synopsis to save you some time:

1) r3c0n started a rant with run-on sentences and no capitalisation blaming amarris for attacking Jesus and promising bodily harm as retribution.

2) YellowFire stated he had trouble deciphering the post.

3) I asked for calm before this gets out of hand as r3c0n appeared to be about to burst a blood vessel.

4) amarris, being amarris, is unrelenting.

5) peewee insulted r3c0n but probably prayed about it later and repented, (just a guess, I have no proof).

6) r3c0n came back to earth and the serenity was deafening.

7) rage! postulated that this thread is retarded anymore.

8.) Various and sundry other players agreed.

9) amarris felt I needed a smite and I cried for 3 hours, only a double scoop cone of Chocolate Decadence staunched the tears.

10) playah popped in from the French Foreign Legion to throw link to religious nut case interview into the fray.

11) Sly laughed his ass off.

12) Here's a biggy; dilldo declared God to be dead.

13) amarris worships donkeys. Really, he as much as said so!

14) peewee mistakes dilldo for Stalin. (They look nothing alike!)

15) rage! calls zirilian an idiot.

16) r3c0n amens peewee.

17) amarris, again being amarris, continues to stir shit up.

18) Targe+ agrees but suggests that amarris seek out sexual satisfaction.

19) peewee posts a number of completely erroneous statements regarding various religions and historical times and then proceeds to perpetuate the myth about "special interest groups" persecuting Christians for their beliefs. No mention of lions was made.

20) dilldo says to peewee, "fuck you" and some rejoiced while others wailed greatly and gnashed their teeth.

21) rage! commits suicide, metaphorically of course. Although, We don't think he will meet his 72 virgins this way.

22) I request for a clarification of peewee's post regarding special interest groups and persecution. At the same time correcting the inaccuracies on major religions and their dates of origin.

23) Nacho Libre is supposedly a good movie, according to alka. Have you seen it yet? I hope it comes out on DVD soon, I hate going out to movies.

24) peewee gives a non-response to my questions to him while offering to save me. Wish he would just pay for a tank of gas, that would save me about $40.

25) S! makes an appearance in a cameo role. We all thought he had retired from the stage so this is a bright spot in an otherwise bleak play.

26) I try to assure peewee that I am only asking for clarifications.

27) amarris..yes, he stirs some more.

28) truth speaks, well, he promises he will.

29) peewee enters a time-warp.

30) amarris....more

31) peewee has a brain fart

32) Thus spake truth. Eloquently, if I might add.

33) Fleetwood Mac makes a brief appearance and there is dancing in the aisles, peewee dances alone.

34) peewee launches another nonsensical diatribe while still not addressing my question.

35) I waste time rebutting each of his fancied points, imaginary as they are, and still am fool enough to expect an answer.

36) Continuing his evasive actions, peewee does the twist as he bobs and weaves, trying to maintain his footing.

37) alka, DK and lefty display short attention spans or complete boredom with the whole thread. (I suspect the latter.)

38) amarris posts again with remarkable restraint, there are no obscenities this time.

39) r3c0n reappears and makes perfect sense. Him and amarris both now! And they say there are no miracles, pffft!

40) YellowFire plays the part of YellowFire again.

41) Elvis appears! Hail the King! alka is an eyewitness and r3c0n joins in the rejoicing!

And that's the short version.

[r3c0n]

Lefty, here is a brief synopsis to save you some time:

1) r3c0n started a rant with run-on sentences and no capitalisation blaming amarris for attacking Jesus and promising bodily harm as retribution.

2) YellowFire stated he had trouble deciphering the post.

3) I asked for calm before this gets out of hand as r3c0n appeared to be about to burst a blood vessel.

4) amarris, being amarris, is unrelenting.

5) peewee insulted r3c0n but probably prayed about it later and repented, (just a guess, I have no proof).

6) r3c0n came back to earth and the serenity was deafening.

7) rage! postulated that this thread is retarded anymore.

8.) Various and sundry other players agreed.

9) amarris felt I needed a smite and I cried for 3 hours, only a double scoop cone of Chocolate Decadence staunched the tears.

10) playah popped in from the French Foreign Legion to throw link to religious nut case interview into the fray.

11) Sly laughed his ass off.

12) Here's a biggy; dilldo declared God to be dead.

13) amarris worships donkeys. Really, he as much as said so!

14) peewee mistakes dilldo for Stalin. (They look nothing alike!)

15) rage! calls zirilian an idiot.

16) r3c0n amens peewee.

17) amarris, again being amarris, continues to stir shit up.

18) Targe+ agrees but suggests that amarris seek out sexual satisfaction.

19) peewee posts a number of completely erroneous statements regarding various religions and historical times and then proceeds to perpetuate the myth about "special interest groups" persecuting Christians for their beliefs. No mention of lions was made.

20) dilldo says to peewee, "fuck you" and some rejoiced while others wailed greatly and gnashed their teeth.

21) rage! commits suicide, metaphorically of course. Although, We don't think he will meet his 72 virgins this way.

22) I request for a clarification of peewee's post regarding special interest groups and persecution. At the same time correcting the inaccuracies on major religions and their dates of origin.

23) Nacho Libre is supposedly a good movie, according to alka. Have you seen it yet? I hope it comes out on DVD soon, I hate going out to movies.

24) peewee gives a non-response to my questions to him while offering to save me. Wish he would just pay for a tank of gas, that would save me about $40.

25) S! makes an appearance in a cameo role. We all thought he had retired from the stage so this is a bright spot in an otherwise bleak play.

26) I try to assure peewee that I am only asking for clarifications.

27) amarris..yes, he stirs some more.

28) truth speaks, well, he promises he will.

29) peewee enters a time-warp.

30) amarris....more

31) peewee has a brain fart

32) Thus spake truth. Eloquently, if I might add.

33) Fleetwood Mac makes a brief appearance and there is dancing in the aisles, peewee dances alone.

34) peewee launches another nonsensical diatribe while still not addressing my question.

35) I waste time rebutting each of his fancied points, imaginary as they are, and still am fool enough to expect an answer.

36) Continuing his evasive actions, peewee does the twist as he bobs and weaves, trying to maintain his footing.

37) alka, DK and lefty display short attention spans or complete boredom with the whole thread. (I suspect the latter.)

38) amarris posts again with remarkable restraint, there are no obscenities this time.

39) r3c0n reappears and makes perfect sense. Him and amarris both now! And they say there are no miracles, pffft!

40) YellowFire plays the part of YellowFire again.

41) Elvis appears! Hail the King! alka is an eyewitness and r3c0n joins in the rejoicing!

And that's the short version.

lmao! applaud worm!

[alka]

Wow.. even though WORM.'s summary lacked pictures,, I still read the entire thing!

Excellent summary WORM.,, gj 

signed - an eyewitness

[lefty]

uhm, thanks. 

[p33w33_R0tA]

This is my religions Zealot troll name.



Still not really reading anything else in  this thread. Back to being he who spouts bad jokes. I'm also going to direct my insults primarily back at the Cleaner and not at amarris.

[amarris]

worm, lol, ive never laughed so hard, you have now earned a + applaud, feel free to eat some more decadent in celebration of this glorious day.

Still not really reading anything else in  this thread. Back to being he who spouts bad jokes. I'm also going to direct my insults primarily back at the Cleaner and not at amarris.

im glad you've taken it upon yourself to give up, insulting me is like punching yourself in the dingle berries, we both know its counter-productive and you only hurt yourself in the end

[dilldo]

Now to sex toy, if you were to ask "why does God let bad things happen to good people?" then I'd give you a response based on my beliefs. You said that he does let them happen and therefore he is not all powerful. This is an attack and very much so not a question. I'd love to answer the question but you have to ask it and ask it without a hardened heart. Not the case so none the answer.

I still have seen no constructive rebuke to my arguments, only evasion and anti-communist rhetoric - see my "the sky is blue" digression several pages back for my defense on why i do not support the mass murder of millions just because i happen to agree with stalin on this one point.  i could have just as easily quoted voltaire's "e'crasez l'enfame!" to achieve a similar point. 

When i ask how god allows bad things to happen to good people, I am not attacking christianity.  i honestly don't see how it can be taken as such.  how does such a question apply only to your religion and not 99% of the others in the world?  try to take your defensiveness down a peg or two. 

to repeat, i was not attacking christianity - most of the major world religions ascribe to the "god is good, god is great, god knows all" mentality, but i just don't see how this can be the case.  Still, neither recon nor peewee has made any attempt to tackle this point, probably because it brings about internal conflict that they'd rather not face. 

Someone a few pages back even advised that I begin to believe before the rapture comes.  what kind of hollow faith would that be?  that's like a bad kid pretending to be good during december so santa will bring him presents.

Anti-Judeo-Christian retoric has become a common political tactic. Sex toy boy has proved this to at least a certain extent.

I have proved this?  how have i politicized this discussion at all?  again, dismissing these statements as trivial electioneering is insensitive anbd just plain downright idiotic. 

To correct you for a quick second worm - i did not declare god to be dead.  i am not an atheist.  i do, however, believe that god does not exist in the form or capacity that i as a christian was raised to believe.

[p33w33_R0tA]

Oh for the love of God!

Why is it that when I'm right, I'm so right that it hurts. I really should have ignored everybody and gone on my way. First of all the only thing missing from this whole thing to make it a typical conversation on christianity is nobody claimed to be christian and gay at the same time.


I've brought the entire conversation back to square one several times. Worm continually changes the direction and then accuses me of it. However I'm going to ignore it like I suggested.

Now here's what happened. Dill qouted stalin. Dill described religions as oppressive organizations. Previously and probobly before most of us were born, save worm, Joseph stalin tortured, persecuted, and killed through labor camps christians. Mao, also a communist, killed lots and lots and lots of christians mostly directly by orders being handed down to the soldiers. Then everyone here defended communism and Dill. Once again  ARE YOU INSANE

O.k. o.k.. Nevermind. This is starting to hurt my head how hard it is to prove to this board that communists persecuted christians. Even with references you guys don't believe me. It's also hard to get accross that it's not very appropriate to qoute stalin and then accuse someone else of exactly what he did. Whether it's true or not this is a very very dumb idea.

Anyway no more conversations... pulling myself away from keyboard...




Also aparently I'm the only one here that has a job and had trouble finding the time to read all of these posts while working at it. Well I guess I don't live in the same communist utopia.

[dilldo]

Oh for the love of God!

Why is it that when I'm right, I'm so right that it hurts. I really should have ignored everybody and gone on my way. First of all the only thing missing from this whole thing to make it a typical conversation on christianity is nobody claimed to be christian and gay at the same time.


I've brought the entire conversation back to square one several times. Worm continually changes the direction and then accuses me of it. However I'm going to ignore it like I suggested.

Now here's what happened. Dill qouted stalin. Dill described religions as oppressive organizations. Previously and probobly before most of us were born, save worm, Joseph stalin tortured, persecuted, and killed through labor camps christians. Mao, also a communist, killed lots and lots and lots of christians mostly directly by orders being handed down to the soldiers. Then everyone here defended communism and Dill. Once again? ARE YOU INSANE

O.k. o.k.. Nevermind. This is starting to hurt my head how hard it is to prove to this board that communists persecuted christians. Even with references you guys don't believe me. It's also hard to get accross that it's not very appropriate to qoute stalin and then accuse someone else of exactly what he did. Whether it's true or not this is a very very dumb idea.

Anyway no more conversations... pulling myself away from keyboard...




Also aparently I'm the only one here that has a job and had trouble finding the time to read all of these posts while working at it. Well I guess I don't live in the same communist utopia.

+smite for forcing me to bang my head against a wall.

no one here is defending stalin.? accept that.? i cited stalin because i agree with his idea that religion brings hope to the hopeless.? here's an example:? no one wants to die, i think we can all agree on that (i'm pretty sure even stalin didn't want to die - omg you have something in common with him - COMMY! ) .? we have it hard-wired into our brains to try to survive at any cost.? how do we emotionally cope with the horrific inevitability of death?? we say that it's god's will that we die, and that we're headed to a better place.? yes, it's religion to save the day and ease our minds.? the idea of afterlife is nothing but a coping mechanism to help us deal with the fact that death is a fucking scary thing, and we have no way of dealing with it without creating another chapter to allay our fears.? whether this be heaven, or reincarnation or whatever, it's all in place to make us feel better, like maybe death isn't so bad after all.? to top it off, this afterlife idea has doubled as a crowd control mechanism:? be good or you'll roast in hell for eternity, or you'll be born again as a shit-eating beetle.? please.?

maybe i'm speaking in terms of christianity more than i speak of the other religions, but since it's the one i understand the best, i have the most examples to support my points at my fingertips.? this is in no way a stalinesque attempt to persecute you as a christian.? get over the stalin thing.? i used a three word stalin reference in my first post and you've used that as an excuse to ignore every other legitimate point that's been made on this thread.? open your eyes and read the rest.

ps - you read this thread at WORK?? you should be fired.

[dilldo]

(apart from dill claiming that God speaks to President Bush and some other nonsensical ramblings)

i just found this one buried deep on page 5.  i have seen several interviews with the president in which he is asked a question to the extent of "what is it like to take a country to war knowing that there will be american casualties?"  his response invariably contained the phrase "i talked to god" in there somewhere.  he was asking god for advice, probably to ease his mind from the fact that he's sending our kids into certain death.  if this is how you're accusing me of politicizing this discussion, fine - just because i cited a modern political figure doesn't mean i'm trying to push a political agenda.  my only agenda is getting answers to questions that you continue to ignore.

if you want me to find video or a transcript of such an interview, i will - what will you say in response when i come back and post it?

[WORM]

To correct you for a quick second worm - i did not declare god to be dead.

I know, but amarris does worship donkeys.

Pardon me for a bit of poetic license in the synopsis.

Worm continually changes the direction and then accuses me of it. However I'm going to ignore it like I suggested.

Really?!?! I ask a question that you cannot answer and you accuse me of changing direction?!?!?! Guess I will never find out who those "special interest groups" are that you feel so persecuted by. Hope you enjoy your dance with Miss Yvonne. Please do not perpetuate anymore myths about how Christians are persecuted, it is only you.?

+smite for forcing me to bang my head against a wall.

I feel your pain. I really do. 

[YellowFire]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

[r3c0n]

what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his own soul. i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad. straight is the way, narrow is the path, and few there shall be who find it. dilldo you're a fool of fools. watch what you say sex toy boy

[WORM]

i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad.

Then maybe you can tell me who these special interest groups are that persecute you so, I'm still interested in learning all about that.?

[DK]

i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad.

Then maybe you can tell me who these special interest groups are that persecute you so, I'm still interested in learning all about that.?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

DK, please. I know you're from Mississippi, but damn, bro!

[r3c0n]

i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad.

Then maybe you can tell me who these special interest groups are that persecute you so, I'm still interested in learning all about that. 

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

DK, please. I know you're from Mississippi, but damn, bro!

hahahah you got edited! 

[r3c0n]

am i allowed to laugh at that? cause that is pretty damn funny

[dilldo]

what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his own soul. i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad. straight is the way, narrow is the path, and few there shall be who find it. dilldo you're a fool of fools. watch what you say sex toy boy

so let me get this straight. ?i ask a few questions about religion in general, questions that have been at the crux of the religious debate for centuries, and you call me a fool? ?instead of insulting me, how about you participate in the intellectual part of this discussion? ?"watch what i say?" - ok, maybe god will strike me down, after all i deserve it, right? ?for asking questions that deserve answers - answers that you and your boy peewee have deliberately chosen to avoid. ?i sincerely hope that your faith is rooted in true faith, and not in fear of retribution for not believing.

here's the thing - you think i've lost my soul. ?i'll tell you this - i don't need religion to know that i lead a good life. ?i am good to people, have a close family and wonderful girlfriend whom i love dearly. ?i am a teacher and coach and a goddamn good one at that - and before you chasitise me for spreading my godless ways among young people let me tell you that i have never once let my feelings on this matter be known to any of my students - my personal beliefs are not their business, they're mine - and i keep it that way.

[DK]

i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad.

Then maybe you can tell me who these special interest groups are that persecute you so, I'm still interested in learning all about that. 

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

DK, please. I know you're from Mississippi, but damn, bro!

hahahah you got edited! 

LOL r3c0n

[lefty]

what do you teach and coach?

[amarris]

what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his own soul. i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad. straight is the way, narrow is the path, and few there shall be who find it. dilldo you're a fool of fools. watch what you say sex toy boy

How does this apply to someone that does not follow the Bible or believe God to be the almighty being? Once again this applies to you and maybe Peewee only, stop throwing religion around like monkies do fecies, because it has no bearing on anyone but yourself. Maybe you need a way to justify your life and reasoning, but most of us dont and can live with our course of action through life without someone telling us how and what to do or that if we dont we will be damned for eternity.

If anyone is a fool here its your self righteous, ass backwards reasoning and trying to make others praise YOUR god. So i will say this as polititely has possible. Fuck off with your Jesus Christ Superstardom.

[rage!]

So i will say this as polititely has possible. Fuck off with your Jesus Christ Superstardom.

BOOM!  HEAD SHOT!!!

[r3c0n]

what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his own soul. i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad. straight is the way, narrow is the path, and few there shall be who find it. dilldo you're a fool of fools. watch what you say sex toy boy

so let me get this straight.  i ask a few questions about religion in general, questions that have been at the crux of the religious debate for centuries, and you call me a fool?  instead of insulting me, how about you participate in the intellectual part of this discussion?  "watch what i say?" - ok, maybe god will strike me down, after all i deserve it, right?  for asking questions that deserve answers - answers that you and your boy peewee have deliberately chosen to avoid.  i sincerely hope that your faith is rooted in true faith, and not in fear of retribution for not believing.

here's the thing - you think i've lost my soul.  i'll tell you this - i don't need religion to know that i lead a good life.  i am good to people, have a close family and wonderful girlfriend whom i love dearly.  i am a teacher and coach and a goddamn good one at that - and before you chasitise me for spreading my godless ways among young people let me tell you that i have never once let my feelings on this matter be known to any of my students - my personal beliefs are not their business, they're mine - and i keep it that way.

there's an answer to every question just as there is a reaction for every action... i dont believe out of fear, i believe cause i know he is real, can i prove he is real to you guys? nope sure cant... thats why its called faith. if you were in a burning building and forced to jump and let fire fighters catch you and you believed they would, that is faith... and just because you havent 'seen' God with your own eyes or heard him doesnt mean he isnt real, he wants YOU to find him. seek him and you'll find him, ask and you'll recieve but ask as you have already recieved... that is faith. i might tell you things about the bible and vereses in it. only because thats what the current subject is about otherwise i wouldnt. but im not TRYING to force you to believe.

[r3c0n]

what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his own soul. i think im the only person that agrees with PeeWee and you know thats pretty sad. straight is the way, narrow is the path, and few there shall be who find it. dilldo you're a fool of fools. watch what you say sex toy boy

How does this apply to someone that does not follow the Bible or believe God to be the almighty being? Once again this applies to you and maybe Peewee only, stop throwing religion around like monkies do fecies, because it has no bearing on anyone but yourself. Maybe you need a way to justify your life and reasoning, but most of us dont and can live with our course of action through life without someone telling us how and what to do or that if we dont we will be damned for eternity.

If anyone is a fool here its your self righteous, ass backwards reasoning and trying to make others praise YOUR god. So i will say this as polititely has possible. Fuck off with your Jesus Christ Superstardom.

you're a snake, this is the current subject snake boy. im not telling you how or what to do snake boy. i am not righteous and have never/nor will i ever claim to be. did i say praise my God or else? im making statements and speaking my mind just like you're doing right now. now i will say this politely, stop with your false accusations snake boy. better yet stop posting unless you have somthing important to say. all your posts are a joke and you make me laugh so hard it isnt fair.

[r3c0n]

So i will say this as polititely has possible. Fuck off with your Jesus Christ Superstardom.

oh ya BOOM!  HEAD SHOT!!!

[amarris]

you're a snake, this is the current subject snake boy. im not telling you how or what to do snake boy. i am not righteous and have never/nor will i ever claim to be. did i say praise my God or else? im making statements and speaking my mind just like you're doing right now. now i will say this politely, stop with your false accusations snake boy. better yet stop posting unless you have somthing important to say. all your posts are a joke and you make me laugh so hard it isnt fair.

 Lol @ calling me snake, is it because im self sufficient and i dont need to justify my actions to anyone ? Anyways, you're not speaking your mind or making concise statements you're telling people they are wrong because they dont see eye to eye with you, there is a difference. We like to use the word, opinion when you're voicing your point of view, when you're cramming your high horse shit down others peoples throats, we tend to call it non-sensical bullshit.

Every statement that has been said here has vailidity to it, yours and peewees have been nothing but complete rubbish and personal attacks against people who dont believe in the same things you do, nothing more. Any and every time someone makes a valid point you steer off course and try to belitle people for their views on your radical bullshit. Nothing i have said is false, it is a statement of opinion, therefore not wrong, nor right, but a matter of opinion, do we understand those words now? ok good, lets fast track and say you have a highschool diploma and  lets have a big boy conversation with our big boy voices ok?

nope sure cant... thats why its called faith. if you were in a burning building and forced to jump and let fire fighters catch you and you believed they would, that is faith.

Believing in something that has no physical from in this world is different then believing in a fire fighter catching you ok, heres why your analogy is complete crap.

1. you can see the firefighters down there, urging you to jump in the first place.
2. firefighters dont tell people to jump from windows, they use ladders and pull them down ladders.
3. most peoples minds work on having proof something exists, no one has proven god exists or that he is an all powerful being, this is held true for ANY religion. A logical person will not accept "he is just there" because those kind of people require some acknowledgment in return when asking someone for something.

So now that we have revisited english class and examined the difference between you and i, a radial religious zealot, vs. and opinonated individual i think we can say, you need to stfu and stop posting, or atleast go back to school and grow up a little, mmmkay.

As for all this talk of christians being persecuted and what not, have we forgotten the Crusades,  The Inquisition, Salem Witch burnings? Ya, i have no sympathy for the slaughter of christians when they too have commited heinous acts against fellow man. And i will challenge you to prove me wrong that christians have not done anything wrong or of the same nature to others. I look at it as retribution, eye for an eye if you will.

PS. Get some original material, adding boy to any word does not make you cool, look at peewee and his sex toy boy comment, very lame and unfunny. Stop posting, either learn to use your return key ,or post something atleast arugmentative rather then making me waste time denouncing your stupidity.

[WORM]

Can't we all just get along? 

[rage!]

So i will say this as polititely has possible. Fuck off with your Jesus Christ Superstardom.

oh ya BOOM!  HEAD SHOT!!!

Seems the quote system just owned you.

[r3c0n]

Can't we all just get along? 

lol does it look like it worm? then look what hes telling me... and he says i shove religion down peoples throats? rofl bbq sauce *cough* hypocrite *cough* worm, its an endless battle is it not? i rest my case.

[r3c0n]

So i will say this as polititely has possible. Fuck off with your Jesus Christ Superstardom.

oh ya BOOM!  HEAD SHOT!!!

Seems the quote system just owned you.

rage, why are you involving yourself, honestly... shouldnt you be fittling with your shirt? afterall... wouldnt wanna be out of style.

[amarris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2yXh6pTDY

[rage!]

So i will say this as polititely has possible. Fuck off with your Jesus Christ Superstardom.

oh ya BOOM!  HEAD SHOT!!!

Seems the quote system just owned you.

rage, why are you involving yourself, honestly... shouldnt you be fittling with your shirt? afterall... wouldnt wanna be out of style.

because this thread is retarded anymore

PS - I worship George Carlin

[YellowFire]

LOCK THIS THREAD!!!

[rage!]

LOL I love how people smite me but never give a reason or acknowledge doing so.

[WORM]

+applaud 

[r3c0n]

i never smite anyone, i think its retarded... but i guess if you kiddies like it...

[amarris]

recon arent you like 20 without a high school diploma?

[YellowFire]

recon is one of those "too cool for school" people.

right recon?!

[dilldo]

i am not righteous and have never/nor will i ever claim to be. did i say praise my God or else?

Yes, actually, you did:

straight is the way, narrow is the path, and few there shall be who find it. dilldo you're a fool of fools. watch what you say sex toy boy

why exactly should i watch what i say?? is your boogie man god gonna come get me?? ?ooooooooooooh!


ps - rage - stfu, you clearly have nothing of value to contribute to this thread or anything in life. shhhh.

[rage!]

ps - rage - stfu, you clearly have nothing of value to contribute to this thread or anything in life. shhhh.

Yes because this thread is just gleaming with intelligence beyond even my apprehension. 

[YellowFire]

don't you mean "comprehension"?

[rage!]

if you look up apprehension it works the same in that spot.

[YellowFire]

Ah, that 163 IQ finally comes in handy.

[p33w33_R0tA]

i never smite anyone, i think its retarded... but i guess if you kiddies like it...

That's o.k. I'll do that for you.

I mean I just smote rage. Shhhh! Don't tell him why.




BTW dill, Christianity teaches righteousness is attained through faith not works. I'd be happy to talk more in depth providing you ask instead of accuse as I've called you out on before.


BTW2 I'm still maintaining a safe distance from this thread. I think I stopped reading halfway through page 6 but I'm not about to go back to find out.

[amarris]

BTW2 I'm still maintaining a safe distance from this thread. I think I stopped reading halfway through page 6 but I'm not about to go back to find out.

Well if you arent going to accept others have opinions stop posting in the thread, you have no position or say in a discussion if you're not willing to read/listen to what others say.

[r3c0n]

recon arent you like 20 without a high school diploma?

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

[r3c0n]

i am not righteous and have never/nor will i ever claim to be. did i say praise my God or else?

Yes, actually, you did:

straight is the way, narrow is the path, and few there shall be who find it. dilldo you're a fool of fools. watch what you say sex toy boy

why exactly should i watch what i say?? is your boogie man god gonna come get me?? ?ooooooooooooh!


ps - rage - stfu, you clearly have nothing of value to contribute to this thread or anything in life. shhhh.

where did i say i was righteous dilldo... im curious

[r3c0n]

i never smite anyone, i think its retarded... but i guess if you kiddies like it...

That's o.k. I'll do that for you.

I mean I just smote rage. Shhhh! Don't tell him why.




BTW dill, Christianity teaches righteousness is attained through faith not works. I'd be happy to talk more in depth providing you ask instead of accuse as I've called you out on before.


BTW2 I'm still maintaining a safe distance from this thread. I think I stopped reading halfway through page 6 but I'm not about to go back to find out.

good point. and thx, ill let you do the smiting then

[DK]

recon arent you like 20 without a high school diploma?

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

Wow..and I only graduated at 17   Can't remember my GPA though...

[amarris]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

hmm, it sure doesn't show, maybe Florida is just a little easier on the grading i guess.

[S!]

Worm, ur synopsis of this thread was hilarious.....I read it this morning at work and people were asking what I was reading as I was laughing so much.? Great stuff man.?

I've skipped the rest of the thread so maybe you need to do another run-down in a few more pages.

EDIT:....read the rest of the thread during my lunch.....much as expected.? Peewee I have a job, I also a life, but I can still read the thread.? I'd definitely make the effort to read it if I'd been so vocal and offer a rebuttal to the comments made in response to mine, not just continually skip by them. I do admire your determination to deny their existence, even if it does make you look rather foolish.?

One or two comments/quotes made do scare me tho.

/me waves at Worm 

[DK]

Worm, ur synopsis of this thread was hilarious.....I read it this morning at work and people were asking what I was reading as I was laughing so much.  Great stuff man. 

I've skipped the rest of the thread so maybe you need to do another run-down in a few more pages.

[YellowFire]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

How is that even possible?!?! You're the dumbest, most gullible person I've ever seen (honestly!). You don't even understand the concept of paragraphs! 

Even RAGE is smarter than you!
That's a fact... I'm never wrong.

[rage!]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

How is that even possible?!?! You're the dumbest, most gullible person I've ever seen (honestly!). You don't even understand the concept of paragraphs! 

Even RAGE is smarter than you!
That's a fact... I'm never wrong.

I have a 4.0 GPA after 6 years of university.  In high school we didn't do GPA's, we did %'s overall.  Mine was 98.8% (yes, I was top of my graduating class of about 300 students).

Why am I telling this?  Ahh crap.  Let the flaming commence. 

[WORM]

BTW dill, Christianity teaches righteousness is attained through faith not works.

See, that's exactly what I expected; blind, unquestioning faith no matter if a person's actions are good, evil or indifferent.

I said earlier that I respect everyone's right to believe as they see fit but when it comes to fundamentalist inerrant faith I can only bite my lip and hold silent so long. Again, nothing personal, but I do have to make a few short comments regarding that statement, and I promise to keep this very short.

Isn't it rather self-righteous to state that 'faith' and not 'works' is the path to..to...whatever? From what I learned in studying various religions over my life the Jesus Christ of Christianity would heartedly disagree with that as that goes against everything he taught, "and by their deeds shall ye know them" and all that.

I find it most presumptuous that anyone would think an unethical person who professes to 'believe' and follows worship rituals is better off than an ethical person that follows another path. Let me take that a step farther, replace 'presumptuous' with 'arrogant.'

Gnostics consider 'knowledge' and 'action' to be important while 'belief' is fairly irrelevant. Hindus draw morality and ethics from 'karma' which is automatic and does not require a patriarchal God to create 'good' behaviour. Buddhists follow the brahmaviharas consisting of compassion, kindness, sympathy and a balanced mindfulness.

BTW2 I'm still maintaining a safe distance from this thread. I think I stopped reading halfway through page 6 but I'm not about to go back to find out.

Oh, I understand completely. Blind faith, arrogance and all that.?

"Doubt everything. Find your own light."
-Last words of Gotama Buddha

* WORM waves to S!

[peewee_RotA]

BTW2 I'm still maintaining a safe distance from this thread. I think I stopped reading halfway through page 6 but I'm not about to go back to find out.

Well if you arent going to accept others have opinions stop posting in the thread, you have no position or say in a discussion if you're not willing to read/listen to what others say.

THat's funny because when I explained why this was the case you ridiculed me... Hmm feet taste good

damnit why do i keep coming to this thread

[peewee_RotA]

BTW dill, Christianity teaches righteousness is attained through faith not works.

See, that's exactly what I expected; blind, unquestioning faith no matter if a person's actions are good, evil or indifferent.

I said earlier that I respect everyone's right to believe as they see fit but when it comes to fundamentalist inerrant faith I can only bite my lip and hold silent so long. Again, nothing personal, but I do have to make a few short comments regarding that statement, and I promise to keep this very short.

Isn't it rather self-righteous to state that 'faith' and not 'works' is the path to..to...whatever? From what I learned in studying various religions over my life the Jesus Christ of Christianity would heartedly disagree with that as that goes against everything he taught, "and by their deeds shall ye know them" and all that.

* WORM waves to S!

OMG please stop telling me what my religion is if you're not even part of it. I'm qouating Romans. You'd know that if you asked. No that wasn't written by Jesus or even one of the 12 however the bible consists mostly of things written by people other than Jesus or the original 12.

Also "you'll know them by their actions" is a comment on christians about christians to christians. It has nothing to do with the path to righteousness. It's a literally worldy woute telling the deciples how to recognise eachother.

I mean have you ever been more ignorant in your life?

Once again I'm not reading past this point mostly because it IS personal no matter how much you say it isn't. Didn't you ever learn that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it? Well this was one of those moments.

Anyway this is exactly why I'm trying not to come back to this thread. It get's me heated and argumentative when I'd rather stick with humor much like Amarris.

[NiTeMaRe WaLKeR]

BTW dill, Christianity teaches righteousness is attained through faith not works.

See, that's exactly what I expected; blind, unquestioning faith no matter if a person's actions are good, evil or indifferent.

I said earlier that I respect everyone's right to believe as they see fit but when it comes to fundamentalist inerrant faith I can only bite my lip and hold silent so long. Again, nothing personal, but I do have to make a few short comments regarding that statement, and I promise to keep this very short.

Isn't it rather self-righteous to state that 'faith' and not 'works' is the path to..to...whatever? From what I learned in studying various religions over my life the Jesus Christ of Christianity would heartedly disagree with that as that goes against everything he taught, "and by their deeds shall ye know them" and all that.

* WORM waves to S!

OMG please stop telling me what my religion is if you're not even part of it. I'm qouating Romans. You'd know that if you asked. No that wasn't written by Jesus or even one of the 12 however the bible consists mostly of things written by people other than Jesus or the original 12.

Also "you'll know them by their actions" is a comment on christians about christians to christians. It has nothing to do with the path to righteousness. It's a literally worldy woute telling the deciples how to recognise eachother.

I mean have you ever been more ignorant in your life?

Once again I'm not reading past this point mostly because it IS personal no matter how much you say it isn't. Didn't you ever learn that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it? Well this was one of those moments.

Anyway this is exactly why I'm trying not to come back to this thread. It get's me heated and argumentative when I'd rather stick with humor much like Amarris.

Having faith is an action, and your actions are judged in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  That was Worm's entire point.  You have someone like Jim and Tammy Bakker that was using God's name for their own gain.  You all know this, and you all know there are many more out there who are just conning Christians out of their money.  That is why their actions will be judged when it is time to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  What do you think the Ten Commandments were?  And just because I don't believe now, doesn't mean that I can't understand what Christianity is about.  I think you're doing the right thing by not getting involved in a conversation in which you do not agree.  No point in you getting all riled up. 

[YellowFire]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah

[peewee_RotA]

Having faith is an action, and your actions are judged in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

I think that this is roughly the most ignorant and wrong statement on the entire thread let alone board.

You have a worldy understanding of Christianity based on other peoples actions and probobly the movies Bruce Almighty and What Dreams May Come. No matter where you based your opinions it is in fact very ignorant and juvenile to think that you know so much about a religion you don't practice.


I'm going to address this once but remember I'm tired of people who have no desire to even learn about Christianity before telling me how to practice it.

The very point of the law is to prove that you can't follow it. There is no salvation through a law because "all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God". Yes we will be judged and our actions condemn us but the very purpose of Jesus life, death and resurection is that although actions can condemn us there are no actions that can save us. Faith is not an action it is a belief system. Acts of faith can be performed, not the least of which being baptism. (No I don't believe in speaking in tounges or evangalists healing people) Acts of faith also do not save you yet they do demonstrate faith. If you truely believe that you can be saved through being a good person then go for it. More power to you. However being a good person is not enough, the only thing costly enough to ransom yourself from sin is the blood of the first born and unblemished lamb. Heck you'll find that King David, the author of Psalms, describing "The sacrifice of the lord is a broken and contrite heart."

Christianity in a nutshell is this: We're all sinners lost form the original "image" we were created in no one better than the other whether Jew or Gentile. God alone can judge you and Jesus alone can save you.

Now find me a denomination or single christian that disagree's with that. (I'm thinking the Jehova's whitnesses will mostly agree but vary the thought a little)




**EDIT**
Also YF you have pretty much summed up my entire point on this thread. +applaud


***EDIT***
One more thing since I finally read W0rms full post.
Looking to the Gnostics to help understand christianity is worse than qouting Stalin to help understand any religion.

Everyone please go immediatly look up information on the Gnostics so that you can know exactly who W0rm is refering to in a conversation about faith in Jesus.

[DK]

BTW dill, Christianity teaches righteousness is attained through faith not works.

See, that's exactly what I expected; blind, unquestioning faith no matter if a person's actions are good, evil or indifferent.

I said earlier that I respect everyone's right to believe as they see fit but when it comes to fundamentalist inerrant faith I can only bite my lip and hold silent so long. Again, nothing personal, but I do have to make a few short comments regarding that statement, and I promise to keep this very short.

Isn't it rather self-righteous to state that 'faith' and not 'works' is the path to..to...whatever? From what I learned in studying various religions over my life the Jesus Christ of Christianity would heartedly disagree with that as that goes against everything he taught, "and by their deeds shall ye know them" and all that.

I find it most presumptuous that anyone would think an unethical person who professes to 'believe' and follows worship rituals is better off than an ethical person that follows another path. Let me take that a step farther, replace 'presumptuous' with 'arrogant.'

Gnostics consider 'knowledge' and 'action' to be important while 'belief' is fairly irrelevant. Hindus draw morality and ethics from 'karma' which is automatic and does not require a patriarchal God to create 'good' behaviour. Buddhists follow the brahmaviharas consisting of compassion, kindness, sympathy and a balanced mindfulness.

BTW2 I'm still maintaining a safe distance from this thread. I think I stopped reading halfway through page 6 but I'm not about to go back to find out.

Oh, I understand completely. Blind faith, arrogance and all that. 

"Doubt everything. Find your own light."
-Last words of Gotama Buddha

* WORM waves to S!

Uh oh!  Someone is showing off the skills he learned from Rage!'s grammar/paragraph thread.

[alka]

One there was

[r3c0n]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

hmm, it sure doesn't show, maybe Florida is just a little easier on the grading i guess.

actually, i got my school work from an academy in maine.

[r3c0n]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

How is that even possible?!?! You're the dumbest, most gullible person I've ever seen (honestly!). You don't even understand the concept of paragraphs!?

Even RAGE is smarter than you!
That's a fact... I'm never wrong.

I didn't know I was being tested on how I typed, what are you? my teacher? I can type how the fuck I want to type, if you dont want to read it then dont fucking read it dirtbag. For one, you cant say somthing like that is fact when you have no proof. Maybe I don't like typing all proper and wasting my time trying to do it right. As long as you can read what I fucking write then that's all I fuckin care about.

[YellowFire]

You have a point there... if you want to portray yourself as a third-grader who has no concept of sentence structure, then be my guest.

This is America, you have a right to express yourself any way you want.

[DK]

You have a point there... if you want to portray yourself as a third-grader who has no concept of sentence structure, then be my guest.

This is America, you have a right to express yourself any way you want.

+1

[r3c0n]

Having faith is an action, and your actions are judged in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

I think that this is roughly the most ignorant and wrong statement on the entire thread let alone board.

You have a worldy understanding of Christianity based on other peoples actions and probobly the movies Bruce Almighty and What Dreams May Come. No matter where you based your opinions it is in fact very ignorant and juvenile to think that you know so much about a religion you don't practice.


I'm going to address this once but remember I'm tired of people who have no desire to even learn about Christianity before telling me how to practice it.

The very point of the law is to prove that you can't follow it. There is no salvation through a law because "all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God". Yes we will be judged and our actions condemn us but the very purpose of Jesus life, death and resurection is that although actions can condemn us there are no actions that can save us. Faith is not an action it is a belief system. Acts of faith can be performed, not the least of which being baptism. (No I don't believe in speaking in tounges or evangalists healing people) Acts of faith also do not save you yet they do demonstrate faith. If you truely believe that you can be saved through being a good person then go for it. More power to you. However being a good person is not enough, the only thing costly enough to ransom yourself from sin is the blood of the first born and unblemished lamb. Heck you'll find that King David, the author of Psalms, describing "The sacrifice of the lord is a broken and contrite heart."

Christianity in a nutshell is this: We're all sinners lost form the original "image" we were created in no one better than the other whether Jew or Gentile. God alone can judge you and Jesus alone can save you.

Now find me a denomination or single christian that disagree's with that. (I'm thinking the Jehova's whitnesses will mostly agree but vary the thought a little)




**EDIT**
Also YF you have pretty much summed up my entire point on this thread. +applaud


***EDIT***
One more thing since I finally read W0rms full post.
Looking to the Gnostics to help understand christianity is worse than qouting Stalin to help understand any religion.

Everyone please go immediatly look up information on the Gnostics so that you can know exactly who W0rm is refering to in a conversation about faith in Jesus.

YESSSSS BBQ SAUCE AMEN!!!! AMEN! woot best post on the thread.

[DK]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

How is that even possible?!?! You're the dumbest, most gullible person I've ever seen (honestly!). You don't even understand the concept of paragraphs! 

Even RAGE is smarter than you!
That's a fact... I'm never wrong.

I didn't know I was being tested on how I typed, what are you? my teacher? I can type how the fuck I want to type, if you dont want to read it then dont fucking read it dirtbag. For one, you cant say somthing like that is fact when you have no proof. Maybe I don't like typing all proper and wasting my time trying to do it right. As long as you can read what I fucking write then that's all I fuckin care about.

How many fucks could a woodfuck fuck if a wood fuck could fuck wood?

1 fuck, 2 fuck, 3 fuck, 4 fuck

[r3c0n]

You have a point there... if you want to portray yourself as a third-grader who has no concept of sentence structure, then be my guest.

This is America, you have a right to express yourself any way you want.

thank you for understanding.

[r3c0n]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

How is that even possible?!?! You're the dumbest, most gullible person I've ever seen (honestly!). You don't even understand the concept of paragraphs!?

Even RAGE is smarter than you!
That's a fact... I'm never wrong.

I didn't know I was being tested on how I typed, what are you? my teacher? I can type how the fuck I want to type, if you dont want to read it then dont fucking read it dirtbag. For one, you cant say somthing like that is fact when you have no proof. Maybe I don't like typing all proper and wasting my time trying to do it right. As long as you can read what I fucking write then that's all I fuckin care about.

How many fucks could a woodfuck fuck if a wood fuck could fuck wood?

1 fuck, 2 fuck, 3 fuck, 4 fuck

LOL keep up the good work, pretty soon ill have the longest thread on wormalir history!

[DK]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

How is that even possible?!?! You're the dumbest, most gullible person I've ever seen (honestly!). You don't even understand the concept of paragraphs! 

Even RAGE is smarter than you!
That's a fact... I'm never wrong.

I didn't know I was being tested on how I typed, what are you? my teacher? I can type how the fuck I want to type, if you dont want to read it then dont fucking read it dirtbag. For one, you cant say somthing like that is fact when you have no proof. Maybe I don't like typing all proper and wasting my time trying to do it right. As long as you can read what I fucking write then that's all I fuckin care about.

How many fucks could a woodfuck fuck if a wood fuck could fuck wood?

1 fuck, 2 fuck, 3 fuck, 4 fuck

LOL keep up the good work, pretty soon ill have the longest thread on wormalir history!

wormlair*

[r3c0n]

actually i graduated highschool by the time i was 16, with a 3.7 GPA... and im 18 now.

How is that even possible?!?! You're the dumbest, most gullible person I've ever seen (honestly!). You don't even understand the concept of paragraphs!?

Even RAGE is smarter than you!
That's a fact... I'm never wrong.

I didn't know I was being tested on how I typed, what are you? my teacher? I can type how the fuck I want to type, if you dont want to read it then dont fucking read it dirtbag. For one, you cant say somthing like that is fact when you have no proof. Maybe I don't like typing all proper and wasting my time trying to do it right. As long as you can read what I fucking write then that's all I fuckin care about.

How many fucks could a woodfuck fuck if a wood fuck could fuck wood?

1 fuck, 2 fuck, 3 fuck, 4 fuck

LOL keep up the good work, pretty soon ill have the longest thread on wormalir history!

wormlair*

oh thx for noticing.

[YellowFire]

n3wbc0n you need to get your ass on vent more often, we need some comedy relief.

[r3c0n]

n3wbc0n you need to get your ass on vent more often, we need some comedy relief.

why, vent sucks and i dont feel like talking to any of you on there because its just gonna be arguing.

[YellowFire]

you dont wanna join because you get ripped apart every single time.

thats ok... you're not welcome anyway.

[amarris]

you dont wanna join because you get ripped apart every single time.

thats ok... you're not welcome anyway.

no offence to you YF, but recon must be crying himself to sleep knowing everyone likes you more then him. Who would've thought, haha.

To: recon and peewee

Religion is bullshit, to sum it up, its structured faith leading people to believe in something that does not exist and gives you nothing more then a false sense of security. I believe in the right to choose how to live my life, push myself to strive for what i desire. To let something hold you back or narrow your mind about rising issues in the world is nothing more then a sad display of no self worth and the inability to think for yourself. I am sorry that you need to hide behind ficticious people in order to feel you're a better person, maybe one day you too will have your own thoughts that you will contribute to the world, but until then the shackles of chrisitianity will hold you back from experiencing what the real world has to offer.


Your eternal enemy,


Common Sense

[WORM]

[
OMG please stop telling me what my religion is if you're not even part of it.

Far be it from me to tell you what your faith is, you appear to be well subscribed to your own dogmatic belief system. I simply comment on what you say…or don’t say.

You'd know that if you asked.

That is doubtful, you’ve avoided answering all previous questions.

Also "you'll know them by their actions" is a comment on christians about christians to christians. It has nothing to do with the path to righteousness. It's a literally worldy woute telling the deciples how to recognise eachother.

Uhhh…Sorry, no cigar. To be so gung-ho on the Bible you sure don’t display much understanding of it. But, hey, many have, and still do, interpreted it to fit their own view so go right ahead.

I mean have you ever been more ignorant in your life?

Possibly, but I wised up and divorced that bitch

Ignorance is in confusing human fallibility for corrupt ideologies. There are confused and ignorant people in all walks of life and in all belief systems. There are just as many stupid, confused and ignorant atheists as there are stupid, confused and ignorant Christians, or Muslims, or Buddhists. There are atheists that are much smarter than you and me, and there are Christians that are much smarter than you and me. To believe otherwise is the height of arrogance and the depths of ignorance.

Anyway this is exactly why I'm trying not to come back to this thread. It get's me heated and argumentative when I'd rather stick with humor much like Amarris.

Good idea. I? have invested quite a bit of time over the years reading various religious/philosophical texts and writings, (yes, the Bible as well as the Quran and many others), studying, attending various “services” and such, discussing and debating with preachers/priests/monks/laymen on subjects ranging from the mundane to the esoteric so please forgive, (you do believe in forgiveness don’t you?), my interest in your comments…I never cease to be amazed by cerebral train wrecks.

[YellowFire]

no offence to you YF, but recon must be crying himself to sleep knowing everyone likes you more then him. Who would've thought, haha.

I agree 

[r3c0n]

you dont wanna join because you get ripped apart every single time.

thats ok... you're not welcome anyway.

no offence to you YF, but recon must be crying himself to sleep knowing everyone likes you more then him. Who would've thought, haha.

To: recon and peewee

Religion is bullshit, to sum it up, its structured faith leading people to believe in something that does not exist and gives you nothing more then a false sense of security. I believe in the right to choose how to live my life, push myself to strive for what i desire. To let something hold you back or narrow your mind about rising issues in the world is nothing more then a sad display of no self worth and the inability to think for yourself. I am sorry that you need to hide behind ficticious people in order to feel you're a better person, maybe one day you too will have your own thoughts that you will contribute to the world, but until then the shackles of chrisitianity will hold you back from experiencing what the real world has to offer.


Your eternal enemy,


Common Sense

lmfao at the first sentence. lol tell me, what does this world have to offer... all i see is death, destruction, and pestilence. people are corrupt, cruel, bitter, and ignorant like yourself... and this place we call earth is getting worse everyday. if there's anything this world has to offer it's the breath taking views that God made, and all of the neat creatures that he created. And im thankful to be alive each and everyday to see his beautiful breath taking sunsets. Each day its always a different painting in the sky.

[WORM]

***EDIT***
One more thing since I finally read W0rms full post.
Looking to the Gnostics to help understand christianity is worse than qouting Stalin to help understand any religion.

Everyone please go immediatly look up information on the Gnostics so that you can know exactly who W0rm is refering to in a conversation about faith in Jesus.

Oh...my...Gawd! Yes, everyone please do read that one. I'm sure the vast majority that have cognitive abilities can read in context and understand that, even if you can not.

In a way, I hate to break the news to you but the conversation has been involved many different religions, not just the limited "faith in Jesus, damn the ethics" that you seem to profess.

[WORM]

I do apologize if I have offended anyone with some of my rants, I try to respect all faiths or lack thereof.

Christianity is such a broad category of religion and there are so many different sects that interpret the teachings of their God/Prophet in opposing ways but the vast majority deserve respect.

From my studies Christian faith and ethics go hand-in-hand and can not be divided, I do reserve the right to attempt to engage in debate those that say otherwise.

Namaste 

[r3c0n]

I do apologize if I have offended anyone with some of my rants, I try to respect all faiths or lack thereof.

Christianity is such a broad category of religion and there are so many different sects that interpret the teachings of their God/Prophet in opposing ways but the vast majority deserve respect.

From my studies Christian faith and ethics go hand-in-hand and can not be divided, I do reserve the right to attempt to engage in debate those that say otherwise.

Namaste?

apology accepted

[DK]

I do apologize if I have offended anyone with some of my rants, I try to respect all faiths or lack thereof.

Christianity is such a broad category of religion and there are so many different sects that interpret the teachings of their God/Prophet in opposing ways but the vast majority deserve respect.

From my studies Christian faith and ethics go hand-in-hand and can not be divided, I do reserve the right to attempt to engage in debate those that say otherwise.

Namaste 

The Martini is the worst creation ever invented.

[WORM]

I'll have you know, sir, that I was stone-cold sober! Maybe that was the problem.

Note that I do not apologize for anything I said, so really, f-o!. 

 

[amarris]

worm if you werent married i would hump ur butt like a dog in heat

[The Cleaner]

worm if you werent married i would hump ur butt like a dog in heat

Would you do THIS while climaxing...?


<-----

[dilldo]

lol tell me, what does this world have to offer... all i see is death, destruction, and pestilence. people are corrupt, cruel, bitter, and ignorant like yourself... and this place we call earth is getting worse everyday.

why, Why, WHY does god allow this to exist in the world he created?? if he's so damn powerful and benevolent, why is this here?? this has been my question for you since i joined this discussion, and no one has yet come close to positing any honest response.? stop ignoring it - it's not an attack, it's an honest question - give it a go.

[p33w33_R0tA]

***EDIT***
One more thing since I finally read W0rms full post.
Looking to the Gnostics to help understand christianity is worse than qouting Stalin to help understand any religion.

Everyone please go immediatly look up information on the Gnostics so that you can know exactly who W0rm is refering to in a conversation about faith in Jesus.

Oh...my...Gawd! Yes, everyone please do read that one. I'm sure the vast majority that have cognitive abilities can read in context and understand that, even if you can not.

In a way, I hate to break the news to you but the conversation has been involved many different religions, not just the limited "faith in Jesus, damn the ethics" that you seem to profess.

Yes let me explain how badly I don't understand Gnostics

There are 4 things that you could be talking about when mentioning Gnosticism. The consept of being a gnostic, the Gnostic Society run by the Catholic church, the Gnostic Tradition, or the religion of Gnosticism.

These are 4 completely seperate subjects refereing to 3 completely seperate religions. If you don't even know enough to differentiate what you're talking about then please don't mention them. Saying gnostic is like saying "people who eat bread" when trying to say christian



I'll explain briefly
Someone who claims to be gnostic is someone who believes they have special knowledge on a subject that noone else has. For example amarris and W0rm are very gnostic individuals because they get a completely different message from the same texts.

The Gnostic religion is a collection of many religions, only christianity in part, that pieces together a very new age religion that's close to the exact opposite of christianity.

The Gnostic Society is an organization which was appointed an official by the catholic church. (it might have been a different denomination however the person chosen to help run it, i forget his name, was catholic I'm pretty sure). This Gnostic society holds and preserves christian texts that are written in the Gnostic tradition. They don't really claim validity to the texts, however a closely tied organization that the mentioned catholic I forgot his name to, runs a denomination of christianity that does celebrate these texts as true and teaches on them. As far as the Gnostic religion, the book of mary, the book of (simon i think but i could check again) and soon to be the book of Judas are hardly the whole of the worlds collection of gonstic texts. So it's probobly not safe to say that this denomination of Christianity represents in whole the real gnostic religion

The Gnostic tradition is different depending on who you ask. Basically the gnostic tradition is to celebrate and write alternative texts that represent a hidden and elitest knowledge of that subject. Now if you're not christian or do not believe that the the bible is truth with a capital T then stop reading at this point. If you are christian then you believe that the gnostic tradition is the practice of blasphemy. I'm not saying stone the authors and if you think that I'm suggesting that just because I'm christian than you're a biggot. (that'd be the exact same thing as assuming that someone that says "infadel" is going to suicide bomb them) But the gospel of mary especially is obviously fake. You read the first 4 or 5 lines and it was obviously written to sound like the original scrolls of the bible. Basically as far as most christians are concerned the gnostic tradition is simply writing stories based on a familiar story of the bible. The davinci code was written in the gnostic tradition. Now writing that is not blasphomy because it wasn't intended as a religion. The christian Gnostic texts I don't think were meant to be a religion, just stories like the jewish story of BAAL. However teaching them like fact is this concept of blashomey. But at any rate the gnostic tradition consists of just making up stories about a religion for the sake of making up a story and this is basically what makes it the exact opposite of christianity and basically any other religion.

The Gnostic tradition is making up stories. The Gnostic religion uses these stories claim they know more about your religion than you and are special. And the gnostic society restores and keeps record of these texts. (I think it's mostly because of the way that most of the original texts were destroyed by the church centuries ago and nobody really likes book burning even if the book is "mein kumpf")

[WORM]

* WORM sighs 

Uh..I didn't claim to be a Gnostic, far from it. No one else did either.

But what the hell..if misrepresentation and intolerance instead of meaningful, open-ended discussion is your bag....carry on, I'm just not in the mood for it right now.

[NiTeMaRe WaLKeR]

Having faith is an action, and your actions are judged in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

I think that this is roughly the most ignorant and wrong statement on the entire thread let alone board.

You have a worldy understanding of Christianity based on other peoples actions and probobly the movies Bruce Almighty and What Dreams May Come. No matter where you based your opinions it is in fact very ignorant and juvenile to think that you know so much about a religion you don't practice.


I'm going to address this once but remember I'm tired of people who have no desire to even learn about Christianity before telling me how to practice it.

Look here boy, don't fucking tell me what I do and do not know. ?Don't fucking tell me about things I've learned throughout my childhood going to church and attending a Christian school. ?What the fuck do you know about me to make such assumptions that I've already explained to you in past threads? ?You want to fucking debate, then do that. ?Instead all I hear you telling me is how I got my information through movies but no facts to back your argument. ?Why? ?Probably because you know it's true. ?Adultery is an action to engage in sex with another when you are married is it not? ?To murder, to cherish, to love, to be faithful, to honor thy father and mother, aren't all these actions? ?Is there not a chapter in the Bible that refers to our Judgement Day and the end of the world? ?Are you doubting Revelations?? ?Are you saying that we will not be judged whether or not we enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

[r3c0n]

lol tell me, what does this world have to offer... all i see is death, destruction, and pestilence. people are corrupt, cruel, bitter, and ignorant like yourself... and this place we call earth is getting worse everyday.

why, Why, WHY does god allow this to exist in the world he created?? if he's so damn powerful and benevolent, why is this here?? this has been my question for you since i joined this discussion, and no one has yet come close to positing any honest response.? stop ignoring it - it's not an attack, it's an honest question - give it a go.

well that made it much more clearer then previous posts. well the main reason is he gave us all a free will, if we choose to serve him we do, if we dont then oh well... but he gave us that right. if people asked for his help and trusted in him then things would change but people are turning away from him so now hes letting stuff happen because obviously people think they dont need his help. now be honest dilldo if say your son didnt want your help and rebelled against you, wouldnt you let him go and get into trouble until he learned his lesson and said he was sorry and wanted you to forgive him. just answer that honestly i dont want to argue.. and also in the bible there are alot of prophecies already fulfilled and more are going to be fulfilled with the coming days. if you have more questions ill try and answer them the best i can... id really rather not argue, arguing is retarded anymore

[amarris]

and also in the bible there are alot of prophecies already fulfilled and more are going to be fulfilled with the coming days

NO, prophecies are nothing but vague descriptions of events that may or may not happen, its how people interpret these that they think that someone can predict the future, much like how the so called "psychics" probe you for questions and relate the information to your life. You want proof that is no prophecies, go read some text by Nastradamus, its ALL vague and leaves everything open to the individuals interpretation, just like any religious text, its all based on perception, nothing more.

[r3c0n]

and also in the bible there are alot of prophecies already fulfilled and more are going to be fulfilled with the coming days

NO, prophecies are nothing but vague descriptions of events that may or may not happen, its how people interpret these that they think that someone can predict the future, much like how the so called "psychics" probe you for questions and relate the information to your life. You want proof that is no prophecies, go read some text by Nastradamus, its ALL vague and leaves everything open to the individuals interpretation, just like any religious text, its all based on perception, nothing more.

if thats your opinion then thats fine but dont tell me what prophecy is. and the bible has very detailed information on prophecys if you could actually understand it.

[amarris]

if thats your opinion then thats fine but dont tell me what prophecy is. and the bible has very detailed information on prophecys if you could actually understand it.

obviously you dont understand prophecies because any moron knows that its open for interpretation to provoke peoples thoughts, hence why the bible, nastradamus' texts we're all written in verses that no one can completely translate, how bout we take off the tunnel vision goggles and be a little more open minded here, mmkay.

Aside from that, its not that i dont understand the bible (I do believe, i am more capable of structuring a sentence then you are, i bet you stuttered a lot in class didn't ya) I just have my own perception of it, thats the beauty of books/texts, they are intended to provoke discussions and spark your imagination. This is something i learned in grade 1,  did you attend public school? You were probably home schooled weren't you, would explain your inability to comprehend simple statements without getting angry because you don't understand what the fuck is going on.


And yes,  i do think you're mildly retarded

[YellowFire]

I always laugh when I see degen's signature 

[amarris]

i dont even think recon is smart enough to notice it , lol, which makes it even more funny

[YellowFire]

r3c0n's generic response to that statement:

"I dont bother to read the fine print that shit doesnt concern me i could care less about people's signatures anyway the only thing i care to read is the bible it has all the answers you will ever need in life"

[The Cleaner]

<singing>  "You're a crook, Captain Hook!   Judge, don't believe the piraaaaaaaaaate!"

[p33w33_R0tA]

why, Why, WHY does god allow this to exist in the world he created?? if he's so damn powerful and benevolent, why is this here?? this has been my question for you since i joined this discussion, and no one has yet come close to positing any honest response.? stop ignoring it - it's not an attack, it's an honest question - give it a go.

Dill please do not read the next few paragraphs and scroll downt o the end. They are long off topic and I'd rather answer your question. It is answered at the end

Like a man who grabs a dog by the ears so is W0rm. I've brought up right from the beginning that Dill initiated this. Just for our reference let's remember that. So I'd like to say to w0rm, this conversation was never yours to have. You jumped in and just started calling the person you disagreed with wrong. I'm sure some of my dates on religions were inaccurate, however this requires facts which you never use. You just say "peewee is wrong" in a humorous way and your credit as a moderator makes everyone agree with you. Yes you have a lot of credit but you're spending it quickly to involve yourself in a religious devate that you weren't originally a part of, only forced yourself into, and using this credit alone to make snappy come backs into truths with a capital-t. Also to defend people's inaccurate opinions on another religion they don't even practice. You've called me out on this, but everyone who is not christian gets a pass. This is my original point and you make it so well.

Nightmare. Please stop taking offense. You're taking offense at something that you shouldn't. Like someone who slips on a wet floor at wal-mart on purpose. I understand that persecution gives you power, but none was intended, only stern correction. Now you have to understand when it comes to the lessons of a religion, especially being that there are so many denominations, there are not cold hard facts about what is what. There's doctrine specific to that denomination. I'm not familiar with a christian denomination that practices that an action can undo another action. What you do say is confirm exact what I said. You will be judged through your actions. Can anyone here say they are without sin? Well except w0rm of course. So the condemning actions have already been performed. You mention that you think that maybe good actions can overcome the bad actions, but I'm saying the opposite and anyone that would tell the world that the christian religion as a whole teaches this is dead wrong. If your denomination taught this then identify that denomination, however I did qoute several passages mostly Romans 1-3. In fact read all of romans I'm roughly just paraphrasing it. But that's my poitn entirely. No matter how many reverends, rabbi's, sheiks, or monks w0rm has talked to you can't form an accurate opinion without reading the Bible. I can only explain what I've already read in case you have a question. You can't just say "oh i went to chatholic school" to say you know the whole of a religion. First of all you didn't mention if in that time you studied the bible on your own. I know from my families descriptions that catholic school, at least in my mom's time and my mom's era taught almost strictly catholic rules and procedures and very few lessons directly from the bible. This may not have been the case but I know people from Ohio Valley College and Geneva College and Harding University that aren't very bible smart even though one had almost 7 years of christian college experience. So please don't take offense but it's not very prudent to say "I went to (insert denomination here) school so I know everything there is to know about christianity".

This brings me back to w0rm. You qouted a portion of a verse without giving the rest of it. I assumed it was a similar one and then all you did was tell me I was wrong. You didn't even go look it up. I mean how can I trust that opinion?! Once agian you just say I'm wrong and leave it at that. And don't complain about religous intollerance or anything, taking a really common easy way out to just label me as something and leave, also used by special interest groups by the way, because you should have left sleeping dogs lie instead of inserting yourself into someone elses conversation as some kind of authority proving this only by claiming to once have talked to a priest of a single denomination. (paraphrasing please don't take it out of context) I bet you didn't eve know that "let sleeping dogs lie" is a proverb from the bible. Here's just how it is. w0rm knows a lot about a lot of religion, but he doesn't seem to know very much about any one religion, especially christianity. I mean he didn't even know enough about gnosticism to know that he was actiong in a very gnostic way when he brought it up. (and then doesn't even goto dictionary.com to find out why I'm calling him that and only assumes I meant he claimed to be a part of the religion) You're here being pompus and then you'll leave the conversation pompus. Seriously I've only ever smited you once and applauded you mayber 50 times and outside of this thread I'll still respect you. However you came in pulling dogs ears and were suprised when they bit.

####Now dill I hope you didn't read that last portion###

I don't know if I can really say anything without just repeating r3c0n but his problem is that he doesn't take opportunities to teach, only defend himself. So his comes accross with a sharp tounge.

This question applies to all religions. The christian response to this, at least my denomination's, is that man was created in God's image. The world was perfect and peaceful. Free will was also a part of this plan. The humans fell away and the perfection was lost as the world went in a direction as a result of Adam and Eve's sin. Since then the world is a place full of sin and given to sin. As humans we have been delivered into our own sin. Yes God "lets bad things happen" however he did not cause them. If somebody lies then that means somebody had to get lied to. If someone murders then someone had to have been murdered. God did not murder him. He could have stopped it, however I don't think that ominpresence or omnipotence really matters in this situation. We celebrate God as being all powerful and majestic because that is our praise to him. However if you mixed chloring and whatever the other common house hold chemical is together that makes chlorine gas you'd be foolish to kneel down and pray and expect God to save you from your own actions. In that case as well God would have "let that happen"

What we really preach is that in the world we are seperate from God and we have a drive to become more like God. In Adam and Eve's case they tried to be more like god by eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. The serpant told them that this would make them that way and because of their sin they were driven away from God's presence. Since then sin has run free because we as humans commit the sin. Should God have saved the man that was murdered by making him disapear to a safer place or summoning snakes? Or should he have just stopped the man with the gun from firing the trigger, or buying the gun. When bad things happen it's a direct result of our own or somebody elses free will. God doesn't allow bad things, he allows free will. Free will also ammounts to good things like food drives and volunteer work. What christianity offers is a way to get back to the presense of God. Another terms for it is being freed from the shackles of sin. Basically we live in a sinful world and because we live here we're subject to the affects of that sin.

I wanted to sum it up shorter but I started rambling and got side tracked so much I had to start again. This is what christianity has to offer. Other religions offer other explanation so I'd ask w0rm because he's a self proclaimed expert in all of them.

[dilldo]

that's all well and good i guess but it sounds a lot like you're blaming the victim - "if someone murders then there is someone who was murdered"  - but your examples are all about direct acts of people on other people - what about random acts out of human hands that still cause suffering?  these events are not a result of another person's evil ways, yet they still occur.  where is god when bad shit happens to good people?

[amarris]

Like a man who grabs a dog by the ears so is W0rm. I've brought up right from the beginning that Dill initiated this. Just for our reference let's remember that. So I'd like to say to w0rm, this conversation was never yours to have. You jumped in and just started calling the person you disagreed with wrong. I'm sure some of my dates on religions were inaccurate, however this requires facts which you never use. You just say "peewee is wrong" in a humorous way and your credit as a moderator makes everyone agree with you. Yes you have a lot of credit but you're spending it quickly to involve yourself in a religious devate that you weren't originally a part of, only forced yourself into, and using this credit alone to make snappy come backs into truths with a capital-t. Also to defend people's inaccurate opinions on another religion they don't even practice. You've called me out on this, but everyone who is not christian gets a pass. This is my original point and you make it so well.

You realize this is a forum right? Its a public forum at that, everyone has the ability to read what is going on and voice their opinions, that is what forums are, if this was a conversation for you and one other person you would not be posting messages on here.  So yes , it is worms conversation to have, its like running around and yelling black people are ni****s, someone is going to comment at you because they feel you are wrong or do not share the same opinion, this is how the world works, whether you like it or not.

Worm does not get automatic respect because he is a server admin/forum moderator, he gets respect because he posts insightful information that has been much more accurate then what you have posted, also , a lot more tend to agree with him due to the fact he is open minded and doesn't think everyone is wrong for having their opinion.

Nightmare. Please stop taking offense. You're taking offense at something that you shouldn't. Like someone who slips on a wet floor at wal-mart on purpose. I understand that persecution gives you power, but none was intended, only stern correction. Now you have to understand when it comes to the lessons of a religion, especially being that there are so many denominations, there are not cold hard facts about what is what. There's doctrine specific to that denomination. I'm not familiar with a christian denomination that practices that an action can undo another action. What you do say is confirm exact what I said. You will be judged through your actions. Can anyone here say they are without sin? Well except w0rm of course. So the condemning actions have already been performed. You mention that you think that maybe good actions can overcome the bad actions, but I'm saying the opposite and anyone that would tell the world that the christian religion as a whole teaches this is dead wrong. If your denomination taught this then identify that denomination, however I did qoute several passages mostly Romans 1-3. In fact read all of romans I'm roughly just paraphrasing it. But that's my poitn entirely. No matter how many reverends, rabbi's, sheiks, or monks w0rm has talked to you can't form an accurate opinion without reading the Bible. I can only explain what I've already read in case you have a question. You can't just say "oh i went to chatholic school" to say you know the whole of a religion. First of all you didn't mention if in that time you studied the bible on your own. I know from my families descriptions that catholic school, at least in my mom's time and my mom's era taught almost strictly catholic rules and procedures and very few lessons directly from the bible. This may not have been the case but I know people from Ohio Valley College and Geneva College and Harding University that aren't very bible smart even though one had almost 7 years of christian college experience. So please don't take offense but it's not very prudent to say "I went to (insert denomination here) school so I know everything there is to know about christianity".

Apparently you are a guru of christianity, you must know everything right because that is what you're telling us. ANY religion is open for self interpretation, im sorry you feel that you know everything there is know about it, but we both know you're just being a self righteous prick when you tell others they are wrong about some religion, it is their view of the religion and some due have experience with it. They were obviously not found of the teachings and we're not impressed because of how they interpreted it. Like ive said many times before, you and recon and both narrow minded individuals who lack the capacity to think on their own, maybe your parents are to blame to not allow you to do this, maybe it was your religion, but i feel sorry for you, because you both come across as mildly retarded.

This brings me back to w0rm. You qouted a portion of a verse without giving the rest of it. I assumed it was a similar one and then all you did was tell me I was wrong. You didn't even go look it up. I mean how can I trust that opinion?! Once agian you just say I'm wrong and leave it at that. And don't complain about religous intollerance or anything, taking a really common easy way out to just label me as something and leave, also used by special interest groups by the way, because you should have left sleeping dogs lie instead of inserting yourself into someone elses conversation as some kind of authority proving this only by claiming to once have talked to a priest of a single denomination. (paraphrasing please don't take it out of context) I bet you didn't eve know that "let sleeping dogs lie" is a proverb from the bible. Here's just how it is. w0rm knows a lot about a lot of religion, but he doesn't seem to know very much about any one religion, especially christianity. I mean he didn't even know enough about gnosticism to know that he was actiong in a very gnostic way when he brought it up. (and then doesn't even goto dictionary.com to find out why I'm calling him that and only assumes I meant he claimed to be a part of the religion) You're here being pompus and then you'll leave the conversation pompus. Seriously I've only ever smited you once and applauded you mayber 50 times and outside of this thread I'll still respect you. However you came in pulling dogs ears and were suprised when they bit.

Ok, so worm doesnt look something up, but its ok for you to skip over 90% of the posts due to not wanting to read peoples rebuttles, gee, lets keep calling that kettle black k? Worm has provided much information based on facts and his own thoughts, you have been doing nothing but telling people they are wrong and that they know nothing of your religion, once again, the power of opinion, you have a big problem with not being able to comprehend that. I think you need to head back to pre-school and grade 1 and 2, where they teach you the basics of establishing communication with others.

####Now dill I hope you didn't read that last portion###

I don't know if I can really say anything without just repeating r3c0n but his problem is that he doesn't take opportunities to teach, only defend himself. So his comes accross with a sharp tounge.

This question applies to all religions. The christian response to this, at least my denomination's, is that man was created in God's image. The world was perfect and peaceful. Free will was also a part of this plan. The humans fell away and the perfection was lost as the world went in a direction as a result of Adam and Eve's sin. Since then the world is a place full of sin and given to sin. As humans we have been delivered into our own sin. Yes God "lets bad things happen" however he did not cause them. If somebody lies then that means somebody had to get lied to. If someone murders then someone had to have been murdered. God did not murder him. He could have stopped it, however I don't think that ominpresence or omnipotence really matters in this situation. We celebrate God as being all powerful and majestic because that is our praise to him. However if you mixed chloring and whatever the other common house hold chemical is together that makes chlorine gas you'd be foolish to kneel down and pray and expect God to save you from your own actions. In that case as well God would have "let that happen"

What we really preach is that in the world we are seperate from God and we have a drive to become more like God. In Adam and Eve's case they tried to be more like god by eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. The serpant told them that this would make them that way and because of their sin they were driven away from God's presence. Since then sin has run free because we as humans commit the sin. Should God have saved the man that was murdered by making him disapear to a safer place or summoning snakes? Or should he have just stopped the man with the gun from firing the trigger, or buying the gun. When bad things happen it's a direct result of our own or somebody elses free will. God doesn't allow bad things, he allows free will. Free will also ammounts to good things like food drives and volunteer work. What christianity offers is a way to get back to the presense of God. Another terms for it is being freed from the shackles of sin. Basically we live in a sinful world and because we live here we're subject to the affects of that sin.

I wanted to sum it up shorter but I started rambling and got side tracked so much I had to start again. This is what christianity has to offer. Other religions offer other explanation so I'd ask w0rm because he's a self proclaimed expert in all of them.

Your beliefs just contradicted itself, giving someone free will and then setting limitations is not having free will at all. God would not punish you for any action you take in life if you really had free will. He would not look down at you for killing someone or stealing something. He would not damn you to hell if you did not repent for your sins, because that is what freedom is all about. It is just like freedom in north america, we do not have absolute freedom, you are still punished and judged by fellow man for committing crimes established by man.
]

[WORM]

ROFLMAO!! ?

Thanks, peewee, I needed that laugh.

Let's see...r3c0n started the thread and YellowFire replied first so by your definition of who is allowed to speak in here the conversation was between them guess we all should STFU and let them have it as it was "never yours to have" either. ?

To clarify, my original post in response to you, http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg23968#msg23968, was requesting a bit of clarification as to what special interest groups you felt were persecuting you and to correct some misstatements you made regarding historical timelines of world religions. We have yet to see an answer on the questions and the timeline can be easily verified.

I don't believe I argued with your faith, more power to you in it as you seem to be well indoctrinated in the dogma. Neither do I try to tell you what your particular religion is as all I know is that you proclaim to be Christian, not what sect.

And I don't proclaim to be an expert in all religions as you erroneously state but I do proclaim to have studied widely, including Christianity as I was raised in that faith, over my life which is going on 57 years now and continue to do so to this day. Maybe that's why I am so interested in the subject here.

Where did I quote of "verse" from the Bible? Never claimed any, only thing I see is where I put quotation marks around a slip of saying that has been widely used by many ministers before. Any quotes would have chapter and verse...if I had used any. Did I?

No, peewee, you took it downhill from there and you continue the slide, like a run-away train now. If you are going to continue to post, please check your facts and don't twist other's words to fit your purposes. A leap of faith is understandable but a leap of logic is unforgiveable. I have tried to show you some respect and only ask that you do the same.

Seems the old adage the politics and religion are two subjects that should never be discussed in polite company holds true even in the impolite Smack section here too. No, that did not come from the Bible either...did it?

Tell you what..I will give you a pass on that last post that follows the same pattern as so many angry, far-right fundamentalists that can not discuss rationally but instead they abandon logic, attack and denigrate those that ask questions or attempt to engage in serious debate. Guess I held out hope of meaningful discussion when it was never meant to be.

I may have sounded condescending in some of my statements but it was very hard not to. Still is. ?

Can we all try to remember that life is too short to get caught up in hate and anger so let us spread more love, respect, thoughtfulness and humour...mmmmkay?


Still...love, kisses and respect,

WORM.

[WORM]

A favorite Zen Koan of mine that seems somehow appropriate...

The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life.

A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child.

This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.

In great anger the parent went to the master. "Is that so?" was all he would say.

After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed.

A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth - the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.

The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back.

Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: "Is that so?"

[WORM]

And these words of that great philosopher? Emo Phillips:

I was walking across a bridge one day, and i saw a man standing on the edge,
about to jump off.? so i ran over and said "stop! don't do it!"? "Why shouldn't
I?" he said.? I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"? He said, "Like
what?"? I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"? He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too!? Are you christian or buddhist?"? He said, "Christian."? I
said, "Me too!? Are you catholic or protestant?"? He said, "Protestant."? I
said, "Me too!? Are you episcopalian or baptist?"? He said, "Baptist!"? I said,
"Wow!? Me too!? Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
He said, "Baptist church of god!"? I said, "Me too!? Are you original baptist
church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"? He said, "Reformed
baptist church of god!"? I said, "Me too!? Are you reformed baptist church of
god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of
1915?"? He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"? I
said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

[YellowFire]

Let's see...r3c0n started the thread and YellowFire replied first so by your definition of who is allowed to speak in here the conversation was between them guess we all should STFU and let them have it as it was "never yours to have" either. 

It's about damn time... let's continue.

recon you suck!

[r3c0n]

Can we all try to remember that life is too short to get caught up in hate and anger so let us spread more love, respect, thoughtfulness and humour...mmmmkay?
WORMs. qoute


tell that to amarris worm. according to him i obviously dont know shit about prophecy, im mildly retarded, he assumes i studder, and he also says i should go back to grade 1, and im narrow minded yet all im doing is having a conversation just like everyone else.

[NiTeMaRe WaLKeR]

Having faith is an action, and your actions are judged in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

I think that this is roughly the most ignorant and wrong statement on the entire thread let alone board.

You have a worldy understanding of Christianity based on other peoples actions and probobly the movies Bruce Almighty and What Dreams May Come. No matter where you based your opinions it is in fact very ignorant and juvenile to think that you know so much about a religion you don't practice.


I'm going to address this once but remember I'm tired of people who have no desire to even learn about Christianity before telling me how to practice it.
 

You talk shit to me and now you tell me not to take offense? ?That's like calling me a chink, and telling me not to retaliate. ?You want to write something demeaning, then expect someone not to be offended? ?Come back to reality someday ok? ?And when I have ever sad anything bad about Christianity?? ?The only negative notion that I have referenced in regards to Christianity are those who claim to be a Christian, but they don't follow Christian values. ?I rather know it's a cobra rather than a cobra in sheeps clothing.

[r3c0n]

Having faith is an action, and your actions are judged in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

I think that this is roughly the most ignorant and wrong statement on the entire thread let alone board.

You have a worldy understanding of Christianity based on other peoples actions and probobly the movies Bruce Almighty and What Dreams May Come. No matter where you based your opinions it is in fact very ignorant and juvenile to think that you know so much about a religion you don't practice.


I'm going to address this once but remember I'm tired of people who have no desire to even learn about Christianity before telling me how to practice it.
 

You talk shit to me and now you tell me not to take offense? ?That's like calling me a chink, and telling me not to retaliate. ?You want to write something demeaning, then expect someone not to be offended? ?Come back to reality someday ok? ?And when I have ever sad anything bad about Christianity?? ?The only negative notion that I have referenced in regards to Christianity are those who claim to be a Christian, but they don't follow Christian values. ?I rather know it's a cobra rather than a cobra in sheeps clothing.

lol nitemare i do like this part right here though "The only negative notion that I have referenced in regards to Christianity are those who claim to be a Christian, but they don't follow Christian values.  I rather know it's a cobra rather than a cobra in sheeps clothing." good point, and in the bible it clearly says watch out for people like that too. it says you will know them by their fruits.

[peewee_RotA]

Umm also w0rm stop flooding. I really don't have time to read all that crap. Twins to care for and such.

And I forgot to address this earlier. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE PROPHECIES OF NOSTREDAMES. He has nothing to do with Bible prophecies.

[alka]

Umm also w0rm stop flooding. I really don't have time to read all that crap. Twins to care for and such.

And I forgot to address this earlier. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE PROPHECIES OF NOSTREDAMES. He has nothing to do with Bible prophecies.

The Nostredames have a good football team.. except for that damn hunchback.

[WORM]

peewee, I have been as nice as I could to you and tried to be respectful but your post has gone a bit over the line, hasn't it? I really don't give a good goddamn what the fuck you have time to read or not, you're not the only one here. You do not come in my house and tell me what to do or not to do. Maybe it is best you stop while you can, I have cut you as much slack as I'm willing now and I'm not in the mood to fuck around anymore.

[p33w33_R0tA]

LOL keep up the good work, pretty soon ill have the longest thread on wormalir history!

Now do you mean by most posts or by most words in a single message? Not counting qoutes I think I've won.



Anyway

that's all well and good i guess but it sounds a lot like you're blaming the victim - "if someone murders then there is someone who was murdered"  - but your examples are all about direct acts of people on other people - what about random acts out of human hands that still cause suffering?  these events are not a result of another person's evil ways, yet they still occur.  where is god when bad shit happens to good people?

I'm sorry to give the impression that we blame the victim. I guess I can't escape that when I say we're all sinners and deserve it. That's a completely different topic that I'd like to explain later. Anyway the explanation given to me about bad things happening to good people even if it's nobody's fault is that the world is a tainted and perverted place. Things aren't fair and justice is not perfect in the world. That's where we live and although we should better it as christians, our hopes are in what comes after. Basically a good paraphrase is "Don't store for yourself treasures on earth where rust and moth destroy. Store instead treasures in heaven where rust and moth do not destroy."

Anyway that's my best explanation as fast as possible. (also thank you for being so understanding despite my unwarrented heated attitude. I apologize to W0rm and I do owe him more respect. I also still with him disagree so )

[amarris]

NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE PROPHECIES OF NOSTREDAMES. He has nothing to do with Bible prophecies.

actually a prophecy is a prophecy, whether its religious or not, stop being stupid and evading valid points.

[RUSTY```]

I stopped reading this after the 2nd page, this has gone way too far.



Be tolerant, be respectful.  Of both sides.  There is both good on bad on both sides.  Not just bad on the side you don't stand.

Who started the schools, the hospitals?

I see alot of religion bashing.

Alot of you sound like complete assholes.

[p33w33_R0tA]

Reply deleted by poster

[S!]

p33w33_R0tA  <---- complete and utter tool.

[alka]

p33w33_R0tA  <---- complete and utter tool.

[WORM]

WORM. <---- complete and utter Zen meltdown 

[peewee_RotA]

p33w33_R0tA? <---- complete and utter tool.

+Applaud S!

+Smite myself

And +smite rage. Shhhh don't tell him

[p33w33_R0tA]

p33w33_R0tA? <---- complete and utter tool.

An +smite peewee_RotA for having 2 names and never keeping them straight

[Zirilan]

Shaddup! Don't talk about Amarris like that, he tried to work for sex but none would pay him, wtf is he supposed to do? It's not his fault he's a socialist from a communist country who still think it would be better if Saddam Hussein was still in power so he could torture and Mass gas more people.

Canada is a communist country? holy shit, no wonder people flock here, Queen Elizabeth must be shitting bricks knowing that Canada no longer swears allegiance to her......and my grandfather gassed people during WW1 and WW2, yep, he was a nazi, funny story eh? too bad they wasted so much time on the jews, when they couldve been cleansing europe of people such as yourself and family

First. I'm american.? My grand father loved your Grand father so much that your grand Father had? to flee to Canada and hide xxxxx. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Without us , Europe would be a great place to visit.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[DK]

But those damn European's have better looking women.

[Zirilan]

But those damn European's have better looking women.

That's also part of why we had to save europe.

[WORM]

But those damn European's have better looking women.

and men!

It's hard to tell them apart sometimes. 

[Zirilan]

frigging soft hearted liberals.

[Zirilan]

But those damn European's have better looking women.

and men!

It's hard to tell them apart sometimes.?

That is why i use my hand to feel first.

[peewee_RotA]

Hey r3c0n,

I heard something funny on the radio yesterday, I know nobody else will appreciate it but I got a kick out of it:

(While describing world events)
"I read from my Bible every morning and then I read the newspaper to see what the other side is doing"

[Wake]

But those damn European's have better looking women.

and men!

It's hard to tell them apart sometimes.?

That is why i use my hand to feel first.

I hope you're kidding. Why would you use your hand to feel whether it was a man or a woman? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you can't tell whether it's a man or a woman in the first place you shouldn't be wasting your time (and you CERTAINLY shouldn't be groping around). I bet you've fondled your fair share of cocks with that system.

[peewee_RotA]

Paul Hogan ring a bell there Einstein?!

[RUSTY```]

But those damn European's have better looking women.

and men!

It's hard to tell them apart sometimes.?

That is why i use my hand to feel first.

I hope you're kidding. Why would you use your hand to feel whether it was a man or a woman? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you can't tell whether it's a man or a woman in the first place you shouldn't be wasting your time (and you CERTAINLY shouldn't be groping around). I bet you've fondled your fair share of cocks with that system.

umm, I think he was joking.   I found it pretty funny when I read it.  I found your reply unnecessary as you will most likely find mine.

-RUSTY```

[Wake]

You can never be too sure around here.

[Wake]

WORM died and I was the principal beneficiary in the will. Bianca is a ghetto girl I made up when I decided that I'd start using the shoutbox as nature intended. 

[h0ps]

I dont even have to bother reading this thread, it's just way too long.

[alka]

I dont even have to bother reading this thread, it's just way too long.

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

[rage!]

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

*were

[shrimp]

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

*were

*wrong.? alka is correct.

[<[SLY]>]

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

*were

rofl. and you're a teacher? tell me you don't teach above 5th grade please.

[rage!]

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

*were

*wrong.  alka is correct.

Actually, my illiterate friend, read his post carefully.  Had it been a proper sentence, the wording should have been:

"After the summary, many pages were written..."

OR

"many pages (after the summary) were written..."

Sly, 1v1?

[shrimp]

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

*were

*wrong.? alka is correct.

[DK]

Hi shrimp. 

[shrimp]

Hi DK 

[DK]

Hi DK 

Do you have Myspace? 

[peewee_RotA]

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

*were

*wrong.? alka is correct.

Actually, my illiterate friend, read his post carefully.? Had it been a proper sentence, the wording should have been:

"After the summary, many pages were written..."

OR

"many pages (after the summary) were written..."

Sly, 1v1?

Parentheses are not normal English mechanics. Commas would have been correct.

[rage!]

I was thinking of the possibility of comma use instead:

"many pages, after the summary, were written"

Hyphens could also be used:

"many pages - after the summary - were written"

Either way, shrimp it's good to know all you do is quote your original message because you know you can't refute what I said.  Own3d.

[<[SLY]>]

a summary courtesy of WORM. (many pages after the summary was written, but nothin to lose sleep over)

http://www.wormlair.com/forum/index.php?topic=1788.msg24060#msg24060

*were

*wrong.  alka is correct.

bottom line. WAS = one summary, WERE = more than one summary

he's talking of ONE summary, therefore, WAS is correct, and you are wrong, accept your failure, please

[rage!]

Then the sentence:

"many pages after the summary was written, but nothing to lose sleep over."

is a sentence fragment so I should instead pick apart this grammatical error:

"TThere are many pages ocurring after the summary was written..."

I was merely trying to interpret in the closest possible way to a proper english sentence.  It doesn't matter how you slice it, it's not proper english.

Shut the fuck up sly.  You are obviously as illiterate as Shrimp.

ROFL @ "the legend has returned"  No one ever gave a shit you were gone and you are NOT a legend.  Legends are those named legends by others, not themselves.

[alka]

as your can see h0ps, there'is nothing in this thread to loose sleep over. youd' be better off reading a bazooka bubblegum comic that's lying in feces.

(thanks to all that came to my defense, i love you all  .. damn all of the you who smited me for no reason )

ps.. rage!, i forgot to add a comma, that is all 

[WORM]

Sorry, alka, I was having too much fun laughing at the anal retentives.

You made perfect sense to me if its any consolation, (which i'm sure it isnt even after many pages was done did)?

oh..and +applaud

[alka]

thx WORM.!! 
by golly, I now have the support of a Server God so I'm feeling no pain.

+applaud to you kind sir!!

[alka]

Negative/No!

I just hope his grammar was correct. If not, I pity the poor fella for what may happen in the near future 

[DK]

Does anyone remember what the original poster had to say?

seriously, everything anyone ever says to me in smack is about Jesus or what i believe in, and you know what. thats when it gets fucking personal worm. and im sorry it has to get personal but im not gonna let that shit slide, no way in hell and thats why i act the way i do... it isnt right to attack anyone about their beliefs wether you believe in Zeus or a donkey. also about me being racist thats bs to. do i hate ghetto shit hell yes i do i think its stupid to act like a fuckin gangster and carry and gun and be in a gang but hey if they wanna do that and go to jail let them... i like black people who have morals and values and dunt talk like dis, who actually have an education... those are normal people... same with white people, always see bums laying in the grass somewhere, its like you know what. go to fucking labor finders and they'll put you to work, instead of trying to get money with "will work for food signs" yea go buy your drugs when you get money from people, not all do but alot of them got that poor because of their nasty habbit in the first place... same with rednecks, im not no fucking redneck you fuckin canuck. im native american and proud of my heritage and nobody could ever take that away. dont you forget it. worm you have to agree with what im saying to some extent here... you know amarris goes over board especially towards me, id love to settle it with him by smashing his face in the ground but w/e just lemme know when in town amariss ill be happy to meet you with my two friends, lefty and righty.

[peewee_RotA]

The original post was about worm closing another thread and something else about grammer.

Then Dilldo qouted stalin and caled my God dead. When I took offense everyone jumped on me. I'm pretty sure that I rather accurately pointed it out then as well.


Isn't it great how Political correctness ALWAYS hinders the freedom of speech and religion. Funny how political correctness isn't in the bill of rights.

In this I'm refering to how I had to dance around everything, especially the comment of special interest groups. Worm, you make a great devils advocate when you know exactly what I'm talking about and yet keep asking me to explain myself. By the way I did explain that several times, even before the summary.

[WORM]

No.

[peewee_RotA]

No.

TLDR

[Naveed]

i like black people who have morals and values and dunt talk like dis, who actually have an education... those are normal people...

For someone who dishes out respect to those who have an education, you really do lack grammar and spelling skills.? May I suggest, for your better self-improvement, that you read the following


http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/words/grammar/


It will get you on the right track Recon, teaching you how to use apostrophes, verbs, and eliminating run-on sentences.

id love to settle it with him by smashing his face in the ground but w/e just lemme know when in town amariss ill be happy to meet you with my two friends, lefty and righty.

Fighting a person to solve a dispute?? You're not doing much to save your "I'm not a redneck" story.? And furthermore, I can respect your beliefs, I don't think I have ever made fun of you for this, but seriously, you are swearing and resorting to violence, that's not very "religious" minded of you Recon.? I am going to have to forward your entire post to your local pastor.

-Nav

[DK]

i like black people who have morals and values and dunt talk like dis, who actually have an education... those are normal people...

For someone who dishes out respect to those who have an education, you really do lack grammar and spelling skills.  May I suggest, for your better self-improvement, that you read the following


http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/words/grammar/


It will get you on the right track Recon, teaching you how to use apostrophes, verbs, and eliminating run-on sentences.

id love to settle it with him by smashing his face in the ground but w/e just lemme know when in town amariss ill be happy to meet you with my two friends, lefty and righty.

Fighting a person to solve a dispute?  You're not doing much to save your "I'm not a redneck" story.  And furthermore, I can respect your beliefs, I don't think I have ever made fun of you for this, but seriously, you are swearing and resorting to violence, that's not very "religious" minded of you Recon.  I am going to have to forward your entire post to your local pastor.

-Nav

Be sure the pastor isn't the one who touched r3c0n inappropriately.

[zorak]

where is god when an american bomb lands on the house of an innocent iraqi family?  where is god when our soldiers are being tortured and beheaded?  were their families just not praying hard enough?  or was god too busy watching the genocide in darfur to notice that there was another war going on?  oh wait, maybe he was doing impossible little magic tricks for you to see so you would believe in him.

++applaud 

[peewee_RotA]

where is god when an american bomb lands on the house of an innocent iraqi family?? where is god when our soldiers are being tortured and beheaded?? were their families just not praying hard enough?? or was god too busy watching the genocide in darfur to notice that there was another war going on?? oh wait, maybe he was doing impossible little magic tricks for you to see so you would believe in him.

There's a fairly common hymn accross denominations that goes:
"Where were you when they crucified our Lord?"

 

Figured I'd answer a question with a question

**EDIT**

DUI Crash On Main
08-23-2006 


Man faces charges after he crashed his SUV into a parked truck in the 700 block of North Main Street early Monday.

Police tell us that the man was drunk when he crossed the center line, almost hit another car, wrecked into the pick-up and his SUV came to rest on the sidewalk.

When the investigating officer asked him what happened, he reportedly told the cop that ?God was telling him to quit drinking.?

This is what happened to my Uncle this past monday. I guess we found where God's been while all that stuff's been happening

[WORM]

God should take a taxi, your uncle is gonna kill him for sure if he keeps driving drunk and then dilldo would be right. 

[crow]

17 pages in responses to a post created by recon.. rofl.....  I feel lower as a human reading any of this shite.

[ASS PUNCH3R]

working on 18......     

[peewee_RotA]

Well then I'll flare it up again:

I saw an episode of 30 days that had a brief snippit of a case that is headed to the supreme court.

The state of Utah had created roadside memorials for fallen state troopers. I'm having trouble finding all the details on this specific case but I'm pretty sure it was 11 total memorials for 11 state troopers that were killed on duty since a specific date.
http://kutv.com/local/local_story_131104655.html

The roadside memorials are crosses. You can look it up on everything from Google to just driving down the road yourself. Roadside memorials are traditionally crosses, flowers, or both. Also gravestones in many non religious pop icons like Legend of Zelda are crosses. Despite the fact that there is OBVIOUSLY no religious promoting intention one man feels it's his duty to remove these crosses.

Now 6 of them are on public land. Chances are these six will be removed based on precedent. I'm not debating that the crosses will be removed. I'm saying that this "human", and I use that word loosely, is a cowardly waste of oxygen for even suggesting the removal of a state trooper memorial.

What kind of a warped and twisted evil son of a *itch do you have to be to actually want to remove a state trooper memorial. If the memorial was a giant pair of boobs or a giant functioning sex toy instead of a cross you'd still be a coward to want to remove it. If the memorials were all flowers and not even on public land and your objection was that they violated zoning laws or lowered your property value, you'd still be a coward.

Bottom line is that I'd just as soon see someone pee on the Abe Lincoln memorial as I would see some horror of a "human" being want to remove state trooper memorials.

[amarris]

times change, people built on top of indian burial grounds, its just a memorial, not like its a grave, if u need to see something every day to remind you of what once was then why do u believe in god and jesus, not like anyone has ever seen them.

[peewee_RotA]

times change, people built on top of indian burial grounds, its just a memorial, not like its a grave, if u need to see something every day to remind you of what once was then why do u believe in god and jesus, not like anyone has ever seen them.

Do you remember that scene on Billy Madison when he answers a question with the story about the puppy.
Well imagine I just said what the judge says to Billy.


I mean seriously frst of all that was amityville horror 2, the simpsons, and poltergeist you're refering to. If you can show that it's ever actually happened then fine but you might as well say "Times change. I mean some people put snakes on planes"

[amarris]

http://nativeunity.blogspot.com/2004/08/burial-sites-not-for-development.html


thats one of the 100000's of sites i found about development over native burial grounds,

[peewee_RotA]

I'm not saying anyone that would actually try that is any better. Accepting things like that and saying "times change" is actively allowing things like that to change and just adding to the problem. Also from what I gather the "Indian burial ground" controversy exists also of groups trying to claim land owned by other people as Indian burial grounds and in essence stealing that land scott free without compensation.

""Sacred site" means any specific, discrete, narrowly delineated location on Federal land that is identified by an Indian tribe, or Indian individual determined to be an appropriately authoritative representative of an Indian religion, as sacred by virtue of its established religious significance to, or ceremonial use by, an Indian religion; provided that the tribe or appropriately authoritative representative of an Indian religion has informed the agency of the existence of such a site."
http://www.ibsgwatch.imagedjinn.com/learn/13007.htm

So there may not even be any bodies on the "Indian burial ground". Heck if I had this law I could just go over to Jerusalem and say. "MINE!". So with a law that out of the box ridiculous I'd check case by case before putting any stock into this "Evil developer" thing.

Here's one case:
http://www.ibsgwatch.imagedjinn.com/learn/2003/2003april.htm#maryland

A developer is working on 10 acres of land. On a portion of the 10 acres of land they accidentally hit 5 unmarked graves. They move the graves and the bodies to a church gravesite. Looks like the developer even paid for the new burial, lot and head stones. Because of this people are protesting the development of 10 acres of land. They have since found record of who the bodies were and why they were buried and it sounds strongly that there's no chance that there's any more bodies anywhere in the entire 10 acres of land.

What makes it even more interesting is that there are obvious ulterior motives and had there not been the other unrelated objections then there would have been no outrage at moving the unmarked graves.
One such example:
"and is opposed to residential development of the Potomac River tract"
"Hale's letter expressed concern about the project's environmental impact"

And don't think this is political because he might even be involved in the whitewater scandal.
"Bruso, who since 1974 has developed commercial and residential property in Maryland -- such as Clinton's New England Estates"

But anyway the main point is not to just excuse one type of behavior because another worse kind is happening somewhere else. Obviously this is something else you're concerned about and it sounds like it's worth it. Honestly I'm just arguing for the sake of lengthening a post

[r3c0n]

holy crap man, i dont even bother reading most of your posts peewee, they're like reading books 

[alka]

Honestly I'm just arguing for the sake of lengthening a post

Amen.. and the truth shall set you free.

[truth]

Everytime I read one of PeeWee's posts I put time aside to read a volume or two of the Encyclopedia, so that I can break even for the day.

[peewee_RotA]

Everytime I read one of PeeWee's posts I put time aside to read a volume or two of the Encyclopedia, so that I can break even for the day.

It's funny how nobody ever points out what they think is "stupid" but just says the whole thing is. For example when I was the only person out of about 5 pages of posts on the 9/11 conspiracy crap to use actual facts or agruments related to the topic, people called me dumb.

It's obvious that I'm doing this entire hting for the sake of argument. For everything good and decent in the world learn to debate and not speak like a fighting 10 year old. You cacapoopoohead

[ex]

17 pages in responses to a post created by recon.. rofl.....  I feel lower as a human reading any of this shite.

I made it to page 5 before finding a booger that held my interest more than any of this.

[peewee_RotA]

[T]he main point is not to just excuse one type of behavior because another worse kind is happening somewhere else.

You mean like excusing the "war" on Iraq because Iran is building nuclear bombs? Peewee, you don't put enough thought into your posts in this thread.

Umm that was almost as random as Justin Timberlake blaming the wardrobe malfunction on the war in Iraq.

I mean you couldn't get any more blatently political or deflective if you tried.

[peewee_RotA]

? I give up on you, peewee_RotA!

good luck

**EDITED FOR CONTENT**
Good because tired talking points don't work especially when it's not even in a political discussion.




 P.S. 19 pages


P.S.S. Back to the original topic: I would be just as ticked off about someone who wanted to tear down this:
http://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries/cemeteries/ml.php
or this
http://www.grostenquin.org/misc/gtmisc-3.html

[The Cleaner]

Snakes+ planes isn't really that personal, imho.

[Wake]

By the way, "guy who insists on being the (self-proclaimed) most well-informed member of this community," it's "P.P.S." not "P.S.S."

And I cite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-script

[RUSTY```]

But anyway the main point is not to just excuse one type of behavior because another worse kind is happening somewhere else.

+applaud